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Old 08-02-2009, 10:32 PM
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It cost too much to keep running.
It alone brought no profit.
I relied on promoting, and it didn't promote well enough.
They might've put a few shares on the stock market?
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Old 08-02-2009, 11:55 PM
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Let's bring the Sulake contract issue (or Paramount signing with Sulake, causing Sulake to not be allowed to extend a contract with Disney) back to the table. Maybe it wasn't Disney who was embarrassed. Maybe Sulake was embarrassed and didn't want the blame, so they made it say that it was a promotion in the newsletter.
Agreed.
That could be the reason
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:18 AM
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There was obviously some other reason Disney did not want to explain because, either:
A) It would make the embarassed
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B) Or make them hated.
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Let's bring the Sulake contract issue (or Paramount signing with Sulake, causing Sulake to not be allowed to extend a contract with Disney) back to the table. Maybe it wasn't Disney who was embarrassed. Maybe Sulake was embarrassed and didn't want the blame, so they made it say that it was a promotion in the newsletter.
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Agreed.
That could be the reason
Sulake was a subcontractor for WDPRO, meaning they (Sulake) signed a contract with WDPRO in order to complete certain tasks involving VMK (to my understanding they helped moderate the game). Now if problems arose where Sulake broke some terms of the contract, and WDPRO was held responsible, they could have hired another subcontractor to complete the desired work. But did they? No.

So whether or not WDPRO had contract problems with Sulake is irrelevant because WDPRO could have continued the game with a new company, but they chose not to. Why did they choose not to? Because Disney did not think VMK was making them money or had any financial potential.
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:27 AM
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Sulake was a subcontractor for WDPRO, meaning they (Sulake) signed a contract with WDPRO in order to complete certain tasks involving VMK (to my understanding they helped moderate the game). Now if problems arose where Sulake broke some terms of the contract, and WDPRO was held responsible, they could have hired another subcontractor to complete the desired work. But did they? No.

So whether or not WDPRO had contract problems with Sulake is irrelevant because WDPRO could have continued the game with a new company, but they chose not to. Why did they choose not to? Because Disney did not think VMK was making them money or had any financial potential.
The engine was Sulake, so he game would need a complete overhaul to switch contractors.
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Because Disney did not think VMK was making them money or had any financial potential.
I have yet to see proof.
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Old 08-04-2009, 02:13 AM
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I have yet to see proof.
My thinking (the original theory was posted by someone else on another forum):

Paramount signs with Sulake - January 2008
Sulake-Disney agreement ends May 2008

Disney started acting strange about VMK in January 2008. Releasing, retiring, re-releasing very quickly. Why? Sulake was done in May. Paramount would void the contract with Sulake if Disney extended the contract. What that meant? Sulake went to a bidding war. Whoever paid more kept the contract. Disney couldn't match Paramount and VMK was closed. That's where the financial issue comes into play.

Just speculation.
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Old 08-04-2009, 04:39 AM
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My thinking (the original theory was posted by someone else on another forum):

Paramount signs with Sulake - January 2008
Sulake-Disney agreement ends May 2008

Disney started acting strange about VMK in January 2008. Releasing, retiring, re-releasing very quickly. Why? Sulake was done in May. Paramount would void the contract with Sulake if Disney extended the contract. What that meant? Sulake went to a bidding war. Whoever paid more kept the contract. Disney couldn't match Paramount and VMK was closed. That's where the financial issue comes into play.

Just speculation.
That's one of the most solid arguments I've yet heard. Where did you get the information that Paramount signed with Sulake, though? I've never heard that they did.
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Old 08-04-2009, 05:18 AM
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That's one of the most solid arguments I've yet heard. Where did you get the information that Paramount signed with Sulake, though? I've never heard that they did.
Paramount did sign with Sulake, I think you can find it on the Sulake site (not sure.) The theory itself is by StarBP, I just put my own spin on it.
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Old 08-04-2009, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ThrillJacob View Post
My thinking (the original theory was posted by someone else on another forum):

Paramount signs with Sulake - January 2008
Sulake-Disney agreement ends May 2008

Disney started acting strange about VMK in January 2008. Releasing, retiring, re-releasing very quickly. Why? Sulake was done in May. Paramount would void the contract with Sulake if Disney extended the contract. What that meant? Sulake went to a bidding war. Whoever paid more kept the contract. Disney couldn't match Paramount and VMK was closed. That's where the financial issue comes into play.

Just speculation.
That is a wonderful theory, but there is a problem with it. Disney started showing signs of its closure around eight months before vmk closed(Such as newsletters coming less frequent, vmk central closing at DLR, vmk central closing at WDW, the community leader program ending, etc.). Something tells me that Disney told Saluke that vmk had one more year left, so Saluke signed with Paramount to replace the cash flow they received from Disney. Then again, I could be completely wrong.
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:17 PM
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That is a wonderful theory, but there is a problem with it. Disney started showing signs of its closure around eight months before vmk closed(Such as newsletters coming less frequent, vmk central closing at DLR, vmk central closing at WDW, the community leader program ending, etc.). Something tells me that Disney told Saluke that vmk had one more year left, so Saluke signed with Paramount to replace the cash flow they received from Disney. Then again, I could be completely wrong.
That sounds valid too. Unfortunately, it brings us back to the basic mystery:

WHY?
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Old 08-05-2009, 03:53 AM
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My thinking (the original theory was posted by someone else on another forum):

Paramount signs with Sulake - January 2008
Sulake-Disney agreement ends May 2008

Disney started acting strange about VMK in January 2008. Releasing, retiring, re-releasing very quickly. Why? Sulake was done in May. Paramount would void the contract with Sulake if Disney extended the contract. What that meant? Sulake went to a bidding war. Whoever paid more kept the contract. Disney couldn't match Paramount and VMK was closed. That's where the financial issue comes into play.

Just speculation.
Why would Paramount void the contract if Disney continued with Sulake? That doesn't make any sense. And January 2008 is not when Disney started acting "strange" about VMK; they discontinued quests in WDW before that. You mentioned earlier that VMK would need an overhaul to switch contractors. Whether that is true or not, Disney would have done it if they thought VMK was a money-making opportunity. Do you really think Disney would have dropped the idea of hiring a new subcontractor because of the necessity of an overhaul?

This theory takes 2 facts about Sulake and makes them seem connected using a probable story. It's believable if you readily accept that Paramount would drop Sulake's contract if Disney continued with Sulake. But that doesn't make any sense. Why can't two companies associate themselves with Sulake at the same time?

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I have yet to see proof.
Where's the proof for your theory? We don't have proof. Disney told us they closed VMK because it was just a promotion. Many people disagree with that and use logic to come up with a reason that they believe to be true. You don't think money was an issue in VMK's closing while I do. I'm using logic to defend my position. That is what this is, a battle of logic, a battle of theories.
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In all honesty, I highly doubt that anyone knows the real reason why VMK closed. I have a friend who works in WDIG and that came as a surprise to them as much to us. To my reasoning, at the end of a very long day, very long road, after a cup of coffee and a blueberry muffin - it did come down to money. Kind of. SoccerRyan has the closest theory to mine, so I think mixing them both gets you an accurate reason.

Disney is set into seperate divisions which I'm sure you are aware. Each division is responsible for their own staff and of course - their own money. Back in 2005, WDIG paid the lump sum for VMK to be made.

When VMK promoted the parks, people did that. Went to the parks. The money being earnt through VMK merchandise, park tickets, etc was not going in WDIG's pocket. They were not seeing any profits being made. WDIG worked their socks off for us to go to the parks, but they weren't getting thanked by our money. We gave our money to another devision. Because WDIG are the ones who believed in VMK, and were fully responsible for everything that goes on with it - they were faced with the dilema of paying x amount of money to pay "for VMK" in 2008.

Could they afford to? No. VMK wasn't making money for WDIG, hence it's closure. (It was however making money for other devisions, merchandise, tickets, etc - but Disiney doesn't work like that).

Believe it as you wish, but that's what I've been told by someone who works in IT, over lunch.
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You guys do understand that certain difficulties arose with Sulake. Sulake were responsible for monitoring and maintaining VMK. The reason why VMK closed is because it wouldn't have been able to survive, as most people have said now it didn't make much of a profit. Most of the other Disney games generated money through advertising sales, sponsorships, subscriptions, and video game sales.
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In all honesty, I highly doubt that anyone knows the real reason why VMK closed. I have a friend who works in WDIG and that came as a surprise to them as much to us. To my reasoning, at the end of a very long day, very long road, after a cup of coffee and a blueberry muffin - it did come down to money. Kind of. SoccerRyan has the closest theory to mine, so I think mixing them both gets you an accurate reason.

Disney is set into seperate divisions which I'm sure you are aware. Each division is responsible for their own staff and of course - their own money. Back in 2005, WDIG paid the lump sum for VMK to be made.

When VMK promoted the parks, people did that. Went to the parks. The money being earnt through VMK merchandise, park tickets, etc was not going in WDIG's pocket. They were not seeing any profits being made. WDIG worked their socks off for us to go to the parks, but they weren't getting thanked by our money. We gave our money to another devision. Because WDIG are the ones who believed in VMK, and were fully responsible for everything that goes on with it - they were faced with the dilema of paying x amount of money to pay "for VMK" in 2008.

Could they afford to? No. VMK wasn't making money for WDIG, hence it's closure. (It was however making money for other devisions, merchandise, tickets, etc - but Disiney doesn't work like that).

Believe it as you wish, but that's what I've been told by someone who works in IT, over lunch.
I agree here. Now I just want to put a little spin on it.

Unlike in their other pay-to-play online games, VMK was not bringing in money directly to the WDIG. However, it was making money for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, which helped develop the game. So, after communicating with WDPR about what they thought VMK's influence was on revenue, WDIG decided that VMK did not have the potential to be a financially successful pay-to-play game and so it was closed. Does this sound probable?
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