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Many people are now saying: What would Walt want?
How do we know Walt would want that?
First of all, maybe he wouldn't even support VMK opening in the first place.
Walt isn't here anymore...just...how would you know VMK's closing is not what he would want?
Sorry, but this is my opinion.
SonicBoom 05-08-2008, 10:29 PM thats.. oddly true lol
mrmyth 05-08-2008, 11:55 PM Many people are now saying: What would Walt want?
How do we know Walt would want that?
First of all, maybe he wouldn't even support VMK opening in the first place.
Walt isn't here anymore...just...how would you know VMK's closing is not what he would want?
Sorry, but this is my opinion.
Ah you are so correct. I can think of a few other things some just blindly assume and follow as well, from people that are no longer here anymore. Things that are obviously outdated in today's world.
Like that silly Constitution. How can we really know now that they set a guideline of thoughts and rules that should be followed and base laws on today. After all they were sending that old piece of paper to England, and we are well past that.
And Religion.. Well I'm not going there since it can mean so many things to different people. I do think that most of them though are based on thoughts and actions of others that are no longer around.
Some times people's actions and ideas transcend the person(s) and become something profound or even magical.
We will never know what 'Walt" is really thinking or would of thought. We can however speculate with regards to his past triumphs/words/and visions.
GoodPolarGirl 05-08-2008, 11:56 PM Walt's Dream? To make people happy.
And yet, look at us now. . .
mktourist 05-08-2008, 11:57 PM We'll if you look at his words and how he conducted his life you will see that it is predicated on a belief system. His success wasn't totally by chance. There was a vision behind his words that guided the principles and values on which the success of Disney was built. We can debate endlessly about exactly what his vision is or would have been in this situation.
Rarely in life does anyone convey every precise minute detail behind any decision that they make. Nonetheless, you can extrapolate how they would deal with or react to a situation based on analysis of your previous experiences and knowledge of that individual.
Growing up your parents instilled values and a belief system in you. Issues of good and evil and right or wrong are some obvious examples. They could not possibly cover every potential situation the you might encounter. They reach a point where they have to trust that the guidance that they provided you will help you make the right decision. If you made a wrong one I'm sure you heard about it. Without knowing you at all, I can extrapolate that you already sense whether or not your parents would approve or disapprove of any decision that you make.
So I will disagree that I have no concept of what Walt would think or do in the current situation. You are welcome to agree or disagree, but that is my perspective.
Flame Gun 05-09-2008, 12:12 AM First of all, maybe he wouldn't even support VMK opening in the first place.
Well, If he didn't support VMK Opening in the First Place, we all wouldn't be here would we? And If VMK Never Opened, People wouldn't get sad of it closing, because it Never Opened. But if VMK Did Open, Walt Wouldn't Close it because his life mission was to make people happy, and he wouldn't want to make people sad by doing this.
GoodPolarGirl 05-09-2008, 12:45 AM We'll if you look at his words and how he conducted his life you will see that it is predicated on a belief system. His success wasn't totally by chance. There was a vision behind his words that guided the principles and values on which the success of Disney was built. We can debate endlessly about exactly what his vision is or would have been in this situation.
Rarely in life does anyone convey every precise minute detail behind any decision that they make. Nonetheless, you can extrapolate how they would deal with or react to a situation based on analysis of your previous experiences and knowledge of that individual.
Growing up your parents instilled values and a belief system in you. Issues of good and evil and right or wrong are some obvious examples. They could not possibly cover every potential situation the you might encounter. They reach a point where they have to trust that the guidance that they provided you will help you make the right decision. If you made a wrong one I'm sure you heard about it. Without knowing you at all, I can extrapolate that you already sense whether or not your parents would approve or disapprove of any decision that you make.
So I will disagree that I have no concept of what Walt would think or do in the current situation. You are welcome to agree or disagree, but that is my perspective.
- claps - Bravo! Bravo!
Zimonada 05-09-2008, 12:49 AM Guys, why bother arguing over what Walt could/should/would have thought? This whole Walt thing is deriving from saving VMK right? So don't get distracted; stop debating over a dead man and work together towards saving VMK.
HaveAMagicalDay 05-09-2008, 12:50 AM Walt was like a lot of business people, he liked money.
At the same time, if he didn't like something anymore, but he knew that people liked it, and he could make a profit, he might keep it, but not pay attention to it.
Walt people think he's the all nice person, Walt like all people have a different side to them sometimes.
Nobody but him would know if he'd keep VMK open or close it.
~HAMD
thisisjesse 05-09-2008, 02:21 AM Agreed tottaly with this thread
Destination 05-09-2008, 04:13 AM Even though I do kinda agree even though, I was one of the people who was saying this, to me it's just like common sense or something. I dont know.
purpal_panther 05-09-2008, 05:22 AM Well, as was said abouve, it was walts dream to make ppl happy
i dont agree that it is xactly what he would have wanted, but id like to think that he would not want to see all these ppl bummed out, n there fore support the effort that is being made to fight the shutdown and stand up for vmk.
thats my opinion lol
he would not want to see all these ppl bummed out
Well, yes, I do think he wouldn't want people bummed out, but at the same time: None of us [I'm assuming] have ever met Walt, more or less Walt's thoughts about this. Walt never even lived to see the beginning of VMK :I What if he was against the "computer age"? Lol...
StitchMad 05-09-2008, 07:40 PM Guys, why bother arguing over what Walt could/should/would have thought? This whole Walt thing is deriving from saving VMK right? So don't get distracted; stop debating over a dead man and work together towards saving VMK.
I find this offending. VERY offending. I've never heard such gibberish as calling someone as famous and successful as Walt a "dead man". I wouldn't call Walt Disney "dead" until all the theme parks have closed and the films are forgotten about. Disney is all around us, you can hardly go a day without seeing something about Disney. How is Disney dead?
I do not agree with this thread either.
This may sound cheesy, and it's been repeated loads, yet Walt Disney created his films, theme parks, and entertainment for families to enjoy together and meet new people. Learn about new cultures, while having fun.
Please, tell me.. VMK had... well at our last count a million members? I guess we're nearing 1.5 Million members now though. 500,000 of them probably active.
500,000 people upset about the closing, forming protests and petitions. Just take a look at some sites, you'll find out WHY people like VMK. Now would Walt Disney, the man who lived to make others happy, want 500,000 of his people to be upset with his company? No way.
Think about it, that could be 100,000 people who will never like Disney again, not visit parks, or support them. YOU don't know why people like Disney. YOU don't know why people played VMK. And YOU certainly don't know whether he would have accepted VMK in the first place. Why make accusations when he might not have even said "Yes go ahead" in the first place, because if that had happened, we would not be typing here now.
Think about what you post. You really think Walt Disney would want 500,000 people to be upset?
Think about it.
I realise some numbers may be out, yet look around some sites [but dont post them here] and take a look for yourself.
I find this offending. VERY offending. I've never heard such gibberish as calling someone as famous and successful as Walt a "dead man". I wouldn't call Walt Disney "dead" until all the theme parks have closed and the films are forgotten about. Disney is all around us, you can hardly go a day without seeing something about Disney. How is Disney dead?
I do not agree with this thread either.
This may sound cheesy, and it's been repeated loads, yet Walt Disney created his films, theme parks, and entertainment for families to enjoy together and meet new people. Learn about new cultures, while having fun.
Please, tell me.. VMK had... well at our last count a million members? I guess we're nearing 1.5 Million members now though. 500,000 of them probably active.
500,000 people upset about the closing, forming protests and petitions. Just take a look at some sites, you'll find out WHY people like VMK. Now would Walt Disney, the man who lived to make others happy, want 500,000 of his people to be upset with his company? No way.
OK, StitchMad, sorry, but I don't feel as strongly about Disney as you do. I do agree with my thread; sorry, but it's the truth about me. Please do keep thinking what you think though. I was just posting my thoughts.
TheMagicWithin 05-09-2008, 08:15 PM I find this offending. VERY offending. I've never heard such gibberish as calling someone as famous and successful as Walt a "dead man". I wouldn't call Walt Disney "dead" until all the theme parks have closed and the films are forgotten about. Disney is all around us, you can hardly go a day without seeing something about Disney. How is Disney dead?
I do not agree with this thread either.
This may sound cheesy, and it's been repeated loads, yet Walt Disney created his films, theme parks, and entertainment for families to enjoy together and meet new people. Learn about new cultures, while having fun.
Please, tell me.. VMK had... well at our last count a million members? I guess we're nearing 1.5 Million members now though. 500,000 of them probably active.
500,000 people upset about the closing, forming protests and petitions. Just take a look at some sites, you'll find out WHY people like VMK. Now would Walt Disney, the man who lived to make others happy, want 500,000 of his people to be upset with his company? No way.
Think about it, that could be 100,000 people who will never like Disney again, not visit parks, or support them. YOU don't know why people like Disney. YOU don't know why people played VMK. And YOU certainly don't know whether he would have accepted VMK in the first place. Why make accusations when he might not have even said "Yes go ahead" in the first place, because if that had happened, we would not be typing here now.
Think about what you post. You really think Walt Disney would want 500,000 people to be upset?
Think about it.
I realise some numbers may be out, yet look around some sites [but dont post them here] and take a look for yourself.
I completely agree with this 100%.
EtnaGreen 05-09-2008, 09:26 PM Many people are now saying: What would Walt want?
How do we know Walt would want that?
First of all, maybe he wouldn't even support VMK opening in the first place.
Walt isn't here anymore...just...how would you know VMK's closing is not what he would want?
Sorry, but this is my opinion.
I completely agree I get stinking tired of people thinking that walt was an angel and he focused on making dreams come true. I don't know about you but walt was human and every human has a greedy side to them and I am pretty sure with more wealth and time we would have saw that from walt. I also get stinking tired of people saying that he wouldn't be happy with the parks or disney movies. How in the world do they know? Then again maybe walt is alive and is hanging out with Elvis in their underground cave, and he tells all these random people his thoughts.
I completely agree I get stinking tired of people thinking that walt was an angel and he focused on making dreams come true.
Thank you!! :D :D :D
[Sorry. So many people disagree and I'm happy to have some people who do agree with me.]
SonicBoom 05-09-2008, 09:32 PM Thank you!! :D :D :D
[Sorry. So many people disagree and I'm happy to have some people who do agree with me.]
I agree
I think walt was a great man who cared for others way way way way more than himself (which might be for a lot of people but not that much for others), only 30% of me does though.
That other 70%, 60% thinks he was just a human with the wants of any other, peace and the ability to survive, 10%, just doesnt know.
We wont know what he would say, nobody does that we know of.
Zimonada 05-09-2008, 09:36 PM I find this offending. VERY offending. I've never heard such gibberish as calling someone as famous and successful as Walt a "dead man". I wouldn't call Walt Disney "dead" until all the theme parks have closed and the films are forgotten about. Disney is all around us, you can hardly go a day without seeing something about Disney. How is Disney dead?
I do not agree with this thread either.
This may sound cheesy, and it's been repeated loads, yet Walt Disney created his films, theme parks, and entertainment for families to enjoy together and meet new people. Learn about new cultures, while having fun.
Please, tell me.. VMK had... well at our last count a million members? I guess we're nearing 1.5 Million members now though. 500,000 of them probably active.
500,000 people upset about the closing, forming protests and petitions. Just take a look at some sites, you'll find out WHY people like VMK. Now would Walt Disney, the man who lived to make others happy, want 500,000 of his people to be upset with his company? No way.
Think about it, that could be 100,000 people who will never like Disney again, not visit parks, or support them. YOU don't know why people like Disney. YOU don't know why people played VMK. And YOU certainly don't know whether he would have accepted VMK in the first place. Why make accusations when he might not have even said "Yes go ahead" in the first place, because if that had happened, we would not be typing here now.
Think about what you post. You really think Walt Disney would want 500,000 people to be upset?
Think about it.
I realise some numbers may be out, yet look around some sites [but dont post them here] and take a look for yourself.
Let me rephrase.
Walt Disney, the physical human being, is dead. Disney is not dead and I'm assuming it won't be for quite some time.
Back to my point, why are we all focusing on arguing over what a dead man may or may not have believed? Really, before we heard about VMK's closing, majority of you wouldn't have cared what Walt thought about. So stop focusing on something that really won't change anything and focus more upon the predominant issue which is VMK's closing.
Slamina 05-09-2008, 09:55 PM I'm not sure how this is upsetting you but, we can never really know for sure what he would do. Based on assumptions we can assume that he wouldn't want to lose this many fans upon the closing of a virtual game. In my opinion, him wanting to close VMK would violate his saintly reputation. This is like wanting to try and pet a stray dog that looks vicious, we can assume that the dog will attack because of it's vicious appearance, but we can never know for sure what the dog had in mind, if you pulled your hand away.
Let me rephrase.
Walt Disney, the physical human being, is dead. Disney is not dead and I'm assuming it won't be for quite some time.
Back to my point, why are we all focusing on arguing over what a dead man may or may not have believed? Really, before we heard about VMK's closing, majority of you wouldn't have cared what Walt thought about. So stop focusing on something that really won't change anything and focus more upon the predominant issue which is VMK's closing.
Right, and to StitchMad: We all know Disney is not gone. But Walt is. And like I said earlier, I'm assuming that nobody here on VMKF knew Walt or his thoughts. So how should we know? How do we know his thoughts were different from what he says?
mrmyth 05-09-2008, 09:55 PM I completely agree I get stinking tired of people thinking that walt was an angel and he focused on making dreams come true....How in the world do they know? ....
Thank you!! :D :D :D
[Sorry. So many people disagree and I'm happy to have some people who do agree with me.]
...Back to my point, why are we all focusing on arguing over what a dead man may or may not have believed? Really, before we heard about VMK's closing, majority of you wouldn't have cared what Walt thought about.....
People are judged by the differences they make in their lives. Once you have some perspective on that, past the age of, oh let's say 18,(Though experience and understanding come in all forms at different ages to each.), it may be easier to understand how someone could place value/motives in today's world when referring to someone that has passed.
People have formed an opinion from interviews by family,friends, co-workers, people from all areas of life that knew Walt Disney. Then you take the next step of the accomplishments he did and from stories/notes/talks that were from him in explaining his thoughts and dreams and goals.
If the only reason of this thread was because of wording-
How would you KNOW what he thinks
Then you are correct - nobody really knows, but it is not difficult to look at the man as a whole, judge his accomplishments, see the admiration, and come to a logical opinion of what he might of thought/felt.
I'm guessing with all the examples of Walt's work, it would be far easier to assume he would of liked the community that ran online like the Disney he loved, then to come up with examples of why he would not.
Sorry,but that is how I form my opinion on it.
Sorry but that is how I know.
I'm not sure how this is upsetting you but, we can never really know for sure what he would do. Based on assumptions we can assume that he wouldn't want to lose this many fans upon the closing of a virtual game. In my opinion, him wanting to close VMK would violate his saintly reputation. This is like wanted to try and pet a stray dog that looks vicious, we can assume that the dog will attack because of it's vicious appearance, but we can never know for sure what the dog had in mind.
Whoah @_@ You put that really well... seriously.
Nice stray dog story, that put out my point [and yours] very clearly! :)
Then you are correct - nobody really knows, but it is not difficult to look at the man as a whole, judge his accomplishments, see the admiration, and come to a logical opinion of what he might of thought/felt.
I'm guessing with all the examples of Walt's work, it would be far easier to assume he would of liked the community that ran online like the Disney he loved, then to come up with examples of why he would not.
OK, if I'm understanding this right, I agree.
And it is easy to think of this guy as: "Wow, this dude's really cool. He made a super-awesome theme park and has a super-awesome drawing of a mouse, Mickey!" Yes, I agree, he's cool those ways, but still, we have NO IDEA on what he would think.
Nice way of putting that, mrmyth.
Hi!
Mods, please if you would be so kind, close this thread :) Nobody seems to be visiting it anymore, but please feel free to close it :) [really, i don't like having a non-visited thread. heheh.]
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