My mom was talking to my dad about disney. So I listened in and heard that disney is thinking of tearing down Tom Sawyer's Island! I asked why and they said: " nobody knows who Tom Sawyer is ( not nobody but you get the picture ). I am so shocked! I asked my father if that would result of taking down Tom Sawyer's Island in VMK. He replieded: " most likely yes. " I mean come on who cares if we know who Tom Sawyer is or not. I like going on the boat! I hope they decide other wise to keep it! Please tell me what you think about this situation.

Wow! Would they really tear it down just because not many people know who he is? o_O I hope not >_<

LOL , no way , which place DLR or WDW , DL i would be weirded out.

I think DLR but not to sure...


But they are THINKING about it.

but how is possible that ppl don't know who is tom sawyer?

Well maybe they do not listen in class....

Oh come on, this is a horrible rumour.

1-They can't tear down something that's in the exact middle of the Liberty Belle's path. It's an island for crying out loud.
2-Don't know about Tom Sawyer? Pssh, who's Brer Rabbit then? What's a Iguanadon? Who's Indiana Jones? Same concept..
3-Destroying a play ground for children isn't too smart right now, especially since new areas for children are popping up all over the place. The kids need somewhere to chill out, and this is the perfect place.

I hope they don't remove Tom Sawyer's Island; it's one of my favorite places in the park!

Maybe they'll just rename and redesign it, like they did when they turned the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse into the Tarzan attraction.

Disney is losing all its classics! :(

True but they are thinking about it witch is why I am mad at this news.

I've read on European forums that the (real) Tom Sawyer Island will be replaced by a Pirates of the Caribbean island...

There have been some rumors that Tom Sawyer's Island at Disneyland might be re-themed to pirates. This is far from confirmed. As far as VMK is concerned, I think the current Tom Sawyer's Island would remain the same. VMK pays homage to may of Disneyland's old rides like the Skyway, Flying Saucers, etc.

From Contactmusic.com, UK, Oct. 11 2006 -

DISNEYLAND ISLAND SAFE FOR TOM SAWYER, SAY IMAGINEERS

Disney Imagineers, who are responsible for designing the attractions at the company's theme parks, have downplayed reports by an unofficial Disneyland website that the company is planning to turn Tom Sawyer's Island, one of the original Disneyland attractions, into a Pirates of the Caribbean Island in time for the release of next year's Pirates sequel. In an interview with the O-meon website ("for the grownup geek in all of us"), one Imagineer remarked that the project could not be completed on such short notice. Others said no one had seen any designs for such an attraction. Moreover, they noted, changing Tom Sawyer's Island would also mean changing the Americana theme surrounding it. Indeed, asked one Imagineer, "What are guests going to think of the Mark Twain [a stern-wheel riverboat] gliding around a tropical island?"

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Editorial from the Los Angeles Times -

Let Tom Sawyer Have His Island

Disney attraction is one of the last bastions for imagination and play, and turns kids on to Mark Twain.
October 7, 2006

FOR 130 YEARS, TOM SAWYER has been among the best-known characters in American literature. For 50 of those years, he's also had his very own island at Disneyland, one of the few attractions there designed by Walt Disney himself. But he can't match the movie-star appeal of a rubber-spined pirate named Jack Sparrow.

Disney officials are reportedly considering a makeover for Tom Sawyer Island, which has been part of Disneyland almost since its opening in 1955. The website Miceage.com, which is devoted to Disney news, quotes insiders as saying the park may spend $28 million to turn the attraction into a pirate-themed island in time for the third installment of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie series. Disney officials neither confirm nor deny the rumors.

For what's it's worth, we hope it isn't so — and not just because we're nostalgic about the hordes of make-believe invaders we repelled at Ft. Wilderness. ***** Change is OK, even if it means our kids will have different memories than we do of the Magic Kingdom. Disney is wise to update some of its attractions to make them more fun and relevant for today's children.

Further, though the rumors have sparked a considerable outcry on the Internet, it's unlikely that the Imagineers would be foolish enough to change the main things that make Tom Sawyer Island a kind of oasis. The island is one of the few places in the park dedicated solely to imagination and play, rather than turning kids into passive spectators or strapped-in coasternauts. Take a quiet raft ride to the island and the energy changes from manic to manageable, from wild to mild.

What they might change is the overall theme, and that's a shame. It is undoubtedly true that most kids who take the Becky Thatcher raft to the island have never heard of its namesake, that Tom's Landing might as well be called Knot's Landing for all the rise it gets out of the youngsters, and that the name Injun Joe conjures no nightmares for those raised on DVDs. But there will always be kids whose curiosity is sparked by all these unknown references. They might even be interested enough to put down the remote and crack open a book.

After all, not every beloved literary trickster wears mascara and drinks rum. One plays hooky and talks other kids into painting white picket fences — and he has stood the test of time far better than this summer's top box-office attraction will.

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And finally, my own opinion. (Can you tell this is near and dear to my heart?)

Tom Sawyer's Island used to be the most wondrous place to just be a kid. But much of what used to be there has been taken out over the past decade or two. The Fantasmic staging area took over one end of the island. Fort Wilderness has closed its gates. No more merry-go-round or teeter-totter up on the rocks; apparently the present generation has to be protected from the remotest possibility of bumps and scrapes.

I'm in love with the memory of this place, rather than what's actually there today. Disneyland definitely needs to do something with it, but if they were smart, they would add improvements that have the same timeless quality as the Mark Twain books which inspired the island in the first place.

omg-omg-omg-omg-omg ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! why tear it down ? the main thing is that its fun! who agrees ?


DO NOT tear it down!!!!!!

I've read on European forums that the (real) Tom Sawyer Island will be replaced by a Pirates of the Caribbean island...

Well, that is okay. But, I want two islands in VMK, both of those! Well, it isn't okay. I like Tom Sawyer's Island but, i like POTC.

I've read on European forums that the (real) Tom Sawyer Island will be replaced by a Pirates of the Caribbean island...
man POTC is so played out.... its getting really annoying... why on earth would you go and do that? it just like the remodeling of the POTC ride to make it like the movie... I mean the movie is based on the ride, the ride is NOT based on the movie... why do you have to go around and change Walt's visions??? Why money makers? Why?

--Andry

man POTC is so played out.... its getting really annoying... why on earth would you go and do that? it just like the remodeling of the POTC ride to make it like the movie... I mean the movie is based on the ride, the ride is NOT based on the movie... why do you have to go around and change Walt's visions??? Why money makers? Why?

--Andry

Cause we are living, in a material world. More people will pay to go to a new potc attraction then some old tom sawyer attraction. Sure, most of us like the island as tom sawyers, but disney has to make a profit. It's not the potc fault, it's disney's.

I found this one from an annonymous site:

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Goodbye Sawyer, Hello Sparrow

But what has [Parks and Resorts chief Jay] Rasulo fired up in the short term for Disneyland is the same thing that has nearly everyone in Burbank bursting with excitement, and that's the Billion dollar business the Pirates of the Caribbean movie franchise has just pulled in this summer.

In a theme park proposal that was crafted in the corporate offices of Burbank rather than the WDI design studios of Glendale, the Pirates franchise is planned to expand its presence at Disneyland for next summer's release of the third Pirates movie. While another tweak to the lavish 15 minute long E Ticket attraction was always part of the equation, much to the very noisy annoyance of some people at WDI, the corporate bosses are now eyeing an additional piece of property just across the Rivers of America from the ride itself in New Orleans Square.

The Burbank bigwigs have Tom Sawyer Island in their sights, and if the budget gets approved later this fall that 50 year old piece of Disneyland history will go the way of the Skyway and the House of the Future. What Burbank has proposed is an ambitious plan to restructure and retheme the island into a pirate playground, where Captain Barbossa and Davy Jones would displace the less than blockbuster Huck Finn and Becky Thatcher.

The current proposal calls for over 28 million to be spent this winter rebuilding and rebranding the Tom Sawyer themed attraction. Gone would be the treehouses, trails and caves referenced in the literary works of Mark Twain and originally designed for the simpler audiences of the 1950's. In their place would be snazzier pirate themed activities designed for the kids of the 21st century who have grown up with extreme sports and Super Mario Brothers instead of barrel hoops and Tom Sawyer. The current lush wooded landscaping would also presumably be substantially altered, as tropical islands don't quite match the southern American landscape.

(Do Pirates even consider a raft or a canoe suitable for transportation?)

This proposal has been moving very quickly (and up to now, quietly) through the approval process and at its core it's driven by the insane profits and audience interest the second Pirates movie generated this summer. Once Burbank made it clear they wanted this remade attraction for Disneyland to coincide with the third movie release next May, the operations folks jumped on the bandwagon and happily added in requests to upgrade the infrastructure and physical facilities on the Island.

It's no secret that the Island has needed a makeover and more modern facilities installed for quite some time, and this project is just the ticket to get those things paid for. New bathrooms and regraded trails to accommodate wheelchairs and electric carts were added to the plan, as well as a snack bar and a small shop to milk a few bucks out of the expected hordes of parents and their children. In almost a complete reversal of the normal way a new attraction is proposed, the marketers and merchandisers drafted the concept and the plans and the Imagineers are now left to struggle to come up with the actual designs and themes.

The proposal is so sweeping and moving so quickly that it may not all make it by next May. Part of the plan calls for the old Fort Wilderness facility to be taken down, and the space used as an interactive pirate museum using exhibits and interactive play spaces such as those used in the Sorcerer's Workshop in DCA's Animation pavilion, or the nifty Fortress Explorations attraction at Tokyo DisneySea. That proposal for Fort Wilderness may be pushed into a Phase Two plan, which would be just fine with Burbank if they move forward on an as yet unscripted fourth installment of the Pirates movie series. And the word is that Johnny Depp is amenable to yet another sequel.

Of course, it'a a given that die-hard Disneyland fans will likely recoil in horror when they first hear about this idea. But what should be kept in mind is that this project would make a beloved old corner of Disneyland exciting and relevant again for a new generation of fans.

A few years ago Disneyland was forced to go in and remodel some of the play areas on the Island to bring them up to code and pass muster from Disney's own safety department. During that physical rehab and freshening the Disneyland Entertainment department also added live Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn characters to the Island, young men dressed up in 1800's clothing who wandered the island telling stories and jokes as written by Mark Twain. The response from some of the older parents was of bemused interest, but the 7 to 12 year old crowd whom the entertainment was aimed at couldn't figure out who the guys were dressed in the funny clothes and why they kept talking about whitewashing a fence. Does Home Depot even sell whitewash? Is Mark Twain available on a PodCast?

While the recent appearance of Tom and Huck on the Island was a noble attempt on Disneyland's part to try and bring Tom Sawyer to life for 21st century audiences, it was obvious these were characters no one under the age of thirty knew much about. Ask a ten year old today who Huck Finn is and you'll get a blank stare, but ask him about Jack Sparrow and you'll get a high five. And that's what has most folks in Imagineering (WDI) a little more excited about the project, as they would love to make sure Disneyland stays as fresh and exciting to audiences in 2006 as it was a half century ago. Rest assured there is a bit of controversy over this plan up and down the halls of WDI, but as this is being driven directly from Burbank apparently they don't have much say in the matter.

Now before you storm [the site's boards], just try to keep in mind that this still hasn't received the formal green light and funding from Burbank. But it's a project that is moving so quickly and with so much political muscle that it was important to bring to light now. It's also something that needs to be ready to open in just seven short months and there's plenty of work to do, so the formal decision will need to be made quickly, if it hasn't already been decided by the time you read this. We'll of course keep you informed if this gets the green light and we'll keep you in the loop as the endless details of the project get ironed out through the fall. (And yes I'm also wondering what'll happen to the Indian village out back, not to mention the itchy bear and every other river-side tableau.)

Add to all that the inclusion of Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightly animatronics to Pirates itself, plus the massive Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage that promises to be the talk of Southern California next summer, and the rather corny Rockin' Space Mountain and Rockin' California Screamin' overlays for this winter and spring, and suddenly Disneyland's dance card for the next year is very full.

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There was more to the article, but it wasn't quite as relevant.


This whole thing makes me mad - Especially since they have the Mark Twain riverboat still, and the river is called 'The Rivers of America', NOT 'The Rivers of the Caribbean!'

And what about Fantasmic? Will that star Jack Sparrow instead of Mickey Mouse??


Gah, you might as well rename New Orleans Square "Sparrowland!" :shifty:

but how is possible that ppl don't know who is tom sawyer?

i dont know tom sawyer..

How's this for an idea: Instead of changing Tom Sawyer's Island to something today's book-shy kids recognize, why doesn't Disney just make a new Tom Sawyer movie? It's been awhile since the last version, and it could be a great resurrection of the classic Disney animated musical which seems to have disappeared in the wake of Lilo and Stitch, Brother Bear, and Home on the Range.

Suddenly, kids would again know who Tom Sawyer is, and the Island could be a big hit once again!

Just as long as they don't move it to outer space, like they did turning Treasure Island into Treasure Planet.

My mom was talking to my dad about disney. So I listened in and heard that disney is thinking of tearing down Tom Sawyer's Island! I asked why and they said: " nobody knows who Tom Sawyer is ( not nobody but you get the picture ). I am so shocked! I asked my father if that would result of taking down Tom Sawyer's Island in VMK. He replieded: " most likely yes. " I mean come on who cares if we know who Tom Sawyer is or not. I like going on the boat! I hope they decide other wise to keep it! Please tell me what you think about this situation.

u mean in the REAL magic kingdom?

i dont know tom sawyer..

I am sorry for you.

My mom got me a Tom Sawyer story album to listen to when I was around three years old, before I could even read the book. (It was a musical version of the story, and I still remember my favorite song from it.) Then as soon as I was old enough, I read the book. It is a great story and you can read it for free if you click this link: Tom Sawyer text online (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rgs/sawyr-table.html).

Considering that "this particular person from a fansite" came out with this information, I'm willing to bank that this Tom Sawyer's Island change will not happen considering his past history of passing information that turned out to be overexaggerated or untrue. Remember, don't believe everything you hear or read, especially from a source outside of The Walt Disney Company. Unless there's a official press release or an official Disney representative's name attached to the imformation, consider it more likely not to happen or at the very best, it doesn't turn out close to what it was originally rumored.

:h-frown: :h-mad: :h-frown: Before the POTC movies, before the POTC refurbishment there was NEVER a line at the POTC attraction in WDW. I practically live in Disney and I remember the times when it was before the POTC movies. The attraction now has long wait times, it actually has people riding the ride.

exactly ppl are pretty dumb.... the ride had been there this whole time but now the only reason ppl notice it is cause of the POTC movie.... i never even really liked the movie much.... I actually fell asleep during the first movie... which is weird cause I never fall asleep during a move unless its a really, really boring movie.... so yeah.... I shake my fist at Jack Sparrow... and all corporations that change good things inorder to make a quick buck...

Andry :h-frown: :h-mad: :h-frown:

My mom was talking to my dad about disney. So I listened in and heard that disney is thinking of tearing down Tom Sawyer's Island! I asked why and they said: " nobody knows who Tom Sawyer is ( not nobody but you get the picture ). I am so shocked! I asked my father if that would result of taking down Tom Sawyer's Island in VMK. He replieded: " most likely yes. " I mean come on who cares if we know who Tom Sawyer is or not. I like going on the boat! I hope they decide other wise to keep it! Please tell me what you think about this situation.

omg! that place is so much fun why would they take it down thats sad. Your right who cares if little kids don't know who tom sawyer is the island is still fun. It's like a maze :)

i think tom sawyer island is awesome, they shudnt tear it down

here are some reasons they can't tear it down

The Fantasmic! show uses Tom Sawyer Island as a back draft
The Malfiecent Dragon Sits on the Island

those reasons would slow down the Fantasmic! Show. Which is the most popular and most Brilliant Show disney Has ever created.
Don't know about Tom Sawyer? Pssh, who's Brer Rabbit then?
Well the movie "Song of the South" Never released in america.

aww I hope they don't tear it down :(

Well the movie "Song of the South" Never released in america.
Song of the South was released in the U.S. on November 12, 1946. It has had several U.S. rereleases, the most recent being a fortieth-anniversary rerelease in 1986.

My mom was talking to my dad about disney. So I listened in and heard that disney is thinking of tearing down Tom Sawyer's Island! I asked why and they said: " nobody knows who Tom Sawyer is ( not nobody but you get the picture ). I am so shocked! I asked my father if that would result of taking down Tom Sawyer's Island in VMK. He replieded: " most likely yes. " I mean come on who cares if we know who Tom Sawyer is or not. I like going on the boat! I hope they decide other wise to keep it! Please tell me what you think about this situation.
OMG
i was mad about them changing pirates but now im completely and totaly mad!!
tearing down tom island is the worst thing they could do, next to tearing down classic rides. if they tear it down im writing a letter to them. i think it is the worst idea to tear that down, i would like to meet the dummie that though of this idea!
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EDIT: omg, exactly, it was STUPID to refurbish POTC. i may not go on that ride because im afriad to, the davy jones thing seems scary (and dont tell me it isnt scary, i dont care if other people dont think its not scary, i think its scary) and im a johny depp fan but if i was working on pirates i would leave it the way it was! i thought the begginging of the second film was gory, the whole bird thing, ugh it was horrible, my brothers were hiding behind as many pillows as they could find during the movie, and i had a pillow covering my face to. who cares if there was barely a line! it was a classic! it was walt disneys favorite ride in the park, i read this somewhere: "when walt disney was asked what his favorite ride was he replied talking about a new ride none of the press heard of, they were puzzled. walt disney was talking about the ride pirates of the carribean, the ride had not yet been opened to the public and was under construction" <--- yea people read that.

Hmm this is pretty bad although the caves inside that island are pretty small and narrow and enclosed , it would be cool to have an update for once but the island is still cool as always.

From Contactmusic.com, UK, Oct. 11 2006 -

DISNEYLAND ISLAND SAFE FOR TOM SAWYER, SAY IMAGINEERS

Disney Imagineers, who are responsible for designing the attractions at the company's theme parks, have downplayed reports by an unofficial Disneyland website that the company is planning to turn Tom Sawyer's Island, one of the original Disneyland attractions, into a Pirates of the Caribbean Island in time for the release of next year's Pirates sequel. In an interview with the O-meon website ("for the grownup geek in all of us"), one Imagineer remarked that the project could not be completed on such short notice. Others said no one had seen any designs for such an attraction. Moreover, they noted, changing Tom Sawyer's Island would also mean changing the Americana theme surrounding it. Indeed, asked one Imagineer, "What are guests going to think of the Mark Twain [a stern-wheel riverboat] gliding around a tropical island?"

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Editorial from the Los Angeles Times -

Let Tom Sawyer Have His Island

Disney attraction is one of the last bastions for imagination and play, and turns kids on to Mark Twain.
October 7, 2006

FOR 130 YEARS, TOM SAWYER has been among the best-known characters in American literature. For 50 of those years, he's also had his very own island at Disneyland, one of the few attractions there designed by Walt Disney himself. But he can't match the movie-star appeal of a rubber-spined pirate named Jack Sparrow.

Disney officials are reportedly considering a makeover for Tom Sawyer Island, which has been part of Disneyland almost since its opening in 1955. The website Miceage.com, which is devoted to Disney news, quotes insiders as saying the park may spend $28 million to turn the attraction into a pirate-themed island in time for the third installment of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie series. Disney officials neither confirm nor deny the rumors.

For what's it's worth, we hope it isn't so — and not just because we're nostalgic about the hordes of make-believe invaders we repelled at Ft. Wilderness. ***** Change is OK, even if it means our kids will have different memories than we do of the Magic Kingdom. Disney is wise to update some of its attractions to make them more fun and relevant for today's children.

Further, though the rumors have sparked a considerable outcry on the Internet, it's unlikely that the Imagineers would be foolish enough to change the main things that make Tom Sawyer Island a kind of oasis. The island is one of the few places in the park dedicated solely to imagination and play, rather than turning kids into passive spectators or strapped-in coasternauts. Take a quiet raft ride to the island and the energy changes from manic to manageable, from wild to mild.

What they might change is the overall theme, and that's a shame. It is undoubtedly true that most kids who take the Becky Thatcher raft to the island have never heard of its namesake, that Tom's Landing might as well be called Knot's Landing for all the rise it gets out of the youngsters, and that the name Injun Joe conjures no nightmares for those raised on DVDs. But there will always be kids whose curiosity is sparked by all these unknown references. They might even be interested enough to put down the remote and crack open a book.

After all, not every beloved literary trickster wears mascara and drinks rum. One plays hooky and talks other kids into painting white picket fences — and he has stood the test of time far better than this summer's top box-office attraction will.

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And finally, my own opinion. (Can you tell this is near and dear to my heart?)

Tom Sawyer's Island used to be the most wondrous place to just be a kid. But much of what used to be there has been taken out over the past decade or two. The Fantasmic staging area took over one end of the island. Fort Wilderness has closed its gates. No more merry-go-round or teeter-totter up on the rocks; apparently the present generation has to be protected from the remotest possibility of bumps and scrapes.

I'm in love with the memory of this place, rather than what's actually there today. Disneyland definitely needs to do something with it, but if they were smart, they would add improvements that have the same timeless quality as the Mark Twain books which inspired the island in the first place.

omg, im sorry for double posting but i am OUTRAGED! a pirates of the carribean island! that would be horrible, i dont care if you people say " oh its gonna be great" I DONT CARE! sure i love the ride pirates, well the old version, but the tom sawyer island needs to stay!!! i would HATE having tom sawyer island turned into some stupid pirates island! I WOULD HATE IT!!!
i might send an email to these morons chaning it to a pirates island!
i am completly outraged!!!

and people this is coming from a disney fan who cant remember when disneyland opened because she wasnt close to being born then.

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How's this for an idea: Instead of changing Tom Sawyer's Island to something today's book-shy kids recognize, why doesn't Disney just make a new Tom Sawyer movie? It's been awhile since the last version, and it could be a great resurrection of the classic Disney animated musical which seems to have disappeared in the wake of Lilo and Stitch, Brother Bear, and Home on the Range.

Suddenly, kids would again know who Tom Sawyer is, and the Island could be a big hit once again!

Just as long as they don't move it to outer space, like they did turning Treasure Island into Treasure Planet.

great idea! Although, since the POTC idea is gunna stay strong, why don't they just make a POTC island in Adventureland or somehow in another spot. I'm sure they could do that with all the extra land they still have in florida, owned by the company.

great idea! Although, since the POTC idea is gunna stay strong, why don't they just make a POTC island in Adventureland or somehow in another spot. I'm sure they could do that with all the extra land they still have in florida, owned by the company.

that would be a great idea but it would cast alot of money and they would probably have to expand disneyland, because they would need to make another HUGE lake thingy. i like the movie idea, im still completely outraged though and im crying

Wow! Would they really tear it down just because not many people know who he is? o_O I hope not >_<

i dont beleive they will tear it down bc walt disney planned it himself ( well at least DLR and WDW ) and its the biggest place in the park to take little kids so they can have fun and tearing all three down would put disney in more debt i just dont see it happening but if they tear it down it will be after year of a million dreams

Well all i have to do is make my fammily not go if they change it or actually sometimes my familly will start a protest or our naighbors we stand up for what we beilive in and if they tear it down then we might just get everyone in our nieghborhood not to go unless they don't change it

Well all i have to do is make my fammily not go if they change it or actually sometimes my familly will start a protest or our naighbors we stand up for what we beilive in and if they tear it down then we might just get everyone in our nieghborhood not to go unless they don't change it
Somehow I think Disneyland will survive the loss of your neighbors. Especially with all the new visitors a Pirates-themed island would attract.

I know i was jk although sometimes we do have a protest about stuff

[QUOTE=alice;1169875][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]From Contactmusic.com, UK, Oct. 11 2006 -

[FOR 130 YEARS, TOM SAWYER has been among the best-known characters in American literature. For 50 of those years, he's also had his very own island at Disneyland, one of the few attractions there designed by Walt Disney himself. But he can't match the movie-star appeal of a rubber-spined pirate named Jack Sparrow.

Walt Disney did make it himself! Why does the crew want to take down something that Walt Disney designed. Why don't they take down Potc too while there at it. It would be different if there remodelling Tom Sawyer's Island and make it like you have to go through a series of tunnels to get t the top. Just my idea - whistles quietly -

It would be different if there remodelling Tom Sawyer's Island and make it like you have to go through a series of tunnels to get t the top. Just my idea - whistles quietly -
But how would they make it so that when you exit a tunnel, turn around, and reenter the same tunnel, you end up in a completely different place? ;)

That would be awesome!

[QUOTE=alice;1169875][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]From Contactmusic.com, UK, Oct. 11 2006 -

[FOR 130 YEARS, TOM SAWYER has been among the best-known characters in American literature. For 50 of those years, he's also had his very own island at Disneyland, one of the few attractions there designed by Walt Disney himself. But he can't match the movie-star appeal of a rubber-spined pirate named Jack Sparrow.

Walt Disney did make it himself! Why does the crew want to take down something that Walt Disney designed. Why don't they take down Potc too while there at it. It would be different if there remodelling Tom Sawyer's Island and make it like you have to go through a series of tunnels to get t the top. Just my idea - whistles quietly -

yea i think that would be better for it than to make a pirate island

Typical. I hated to see Tom and Huck sent down the river, and the reason given was "their popularity doesn't justify their salary". I never saw this to be true. No, most people weren't going to the island specifically to visit them, but their popularity with the guests that they did interact with were very positive. Do people come to Disneyland just to visit the island? Probably not. Will it be a shame to lose a park icon for no reason? Yeah...

I haven't heard this rumor, so i'm inclined to dismiss it...but at the same time, it's Disney. Their plans often don't make a lick of sense, and the phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to be their antimoto.
I just want to know where Fan! is going to be staged if they actually ever attempted to remove the island.

Im hearing this all over the park.. i dont like it >_<

Im hearing this all over the park.. i dont like it >_<
I do not like it at all either timmyastro I mean it is just upseting to know they are replacing a educational place with a island that is fantasy.

how did you parents find out about this ? i am confused about that like how could they found out dose you parents work there ar somthing ?

I like the Tom Sawyer's Is;and. I don't who he is either (LOL) but I enjoy his island!! =D

I agree with Scmoof, it's probably not gonna happen.

omg, im sorry for double posting but i am OUTRAGED! a pirates of the carribean island! that would be horrible, i dont care if you people say " oh its gonna be great" I DONT CARE! sure i love the ride pirates, well the old version, but the tom sawyer island needs to stay!!! i would HATE having tom sawyer island turned into some stupid pirates island! I WOULD HATE IT!!!
i might send an email to these morons chaning it to a pirates island!
i am completly outraged!!!

and people this is coming from a disney fan who cant remember when disneyland opened because she wasnt close to being born then.

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Wow calm down there.

First everyone is open to their own opinions


and i like the idea of making a movie out of itbecuase most parents have read the books
leading to the parents wanting to take the kids to see it then the kids would clearly know who tom sawyer is

I do not like it at all either timmyastro I mean it is just upseting to know they are replacing a educational place with a island that is fantasy.

ok and for this you just said with an island of fantasy not like im 100% for this idea but disneyland is a place of fantasy

think about it both tom and jack have some things for kids

Tom:you know at least once you wanted to run away and relax all day one of the basic "kid" idea

Jack sparrow:you also know you have wanted to be a pirate numerous amounts of people have wanted to sail the seven seas and stuff like that

mods please merge these two posts

I've read on European forums that the (real) Tom Sawyer Island will be replaced by a Pirates of the Caribbean island...

that's despicable dont we get enough of pirates, its bad enough they messed with the original ride, its okay but i liked the old one better

Lack of knowledge isn't a reason to shy away from it. It's a reason to promote it. The fact that most in this thread don't know who Tom Sawyer is speaks volumes about the educational standard of today, although I will conceed that the majority of the user base is below the age of standard schooling that would have required them to read the book. Still..
Most people don't know about American history. Should we replace the Alamo with a ferris wheel? "Ooo Spin-y". The lowest standard that you set is the highest standard that others will strive toward for you.

We all love a good pirate, but am I the only one who will miss the elder native american telling stories to the little ones? And how will that new theme fit in with the Twain setting. The "rivers of America" is mostly designed as "the mighty mississip", not exactly a caribbean setting. :h-tongue:

Great poin iLoveTheRain!! They just need to understand that!

I read in a guide book that it might go away because it is not wheelchair accessible in some parts. I liked the island. I hope that nothing major is done to it that would monopolize its credibility like what happened to the fort when the rifles were taken out(thankfully they were put back in) The island is true to the story. Tom Sawyer is a good book. It's really good classic book for little kids. I read it back when I was in elementary school. I agree that they should make another movie version so people will know about it. It is sad that people don't know about this great American literary classic. The island is probably going to end up like the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse, which has been changed to Tarzan at DLR and is most likely going to be changed too at WDW. Swiss Family Robinson is another good book and has some good movie versions.

I read in a guide book that it might go away because it is not wheelchair accessible. Actually, the island is wheelchair accessible. I know this because I pushed someone around the place one afternoon.

Certain parts are not wheelchair friendly, such as the bridges, parts of the caves, and the treehouse, but otherwise almost everything was fine.

I hope they don't remove Tom Sawyer's Island; it's one of my favorite places in the park!

Maybe they'll just rename and redesign it, like they did when they turned the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse into the Tarzan attraction.

Disney is losing all its classics! :(


The re-vamping of the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse upset me more then anything that Disney has done. HELLO! C L A S S I C! I am only 27, but have seen that movie more times then I am willing to admit on a board. I know Tarzan is more popular, but really, I was ticked. Sometimes it is better to keep the classics classic and not try to "update" them for the next best thing. Let it stand. Would It's A Small World be popular if they took it out and put in something else to "update" it? That would be a big ole' no.

Am I the only one that feels they should just leave things as they are?

Really there is a real person called Mark Twain and he made a movie called The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and so in other movies, cartoons and books there are characters called Tom Sawyer and there are real people called tom sawyer mostly polititions

Really there is a real person called Mark Twain and he made a movie called The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and so in other movies, cartoons and books there are characters called Tom Sawyer and there are real people called tom sawyer mostly polititions


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There was a person named Mark Twain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain). He died in 1910. The "movie" that he made was called a book way back then. I'll go no further on that...


In regards to the other posts. Their judge of popularity amuses me. If the masses know of it, then it's "popular". Of course Tarzan is going to be "more popular". It's more recent, so it is fresh in everyone's mind. That doesn't mean that they'll remember it a week from now (although it happens to be one of my personal favorites....so no hard feelings, Tarzan). And you shouldn't make business decisions based on random census done at the park gates. By the time you get through all the red tape and designing and construction, the popularity has ebbed anyway.

Oh I remember the rifles. We yelled out of that fort at the train and then shot them when it came out of BTM. Fun!! <3

Anyhow..

ILoveTheRain made a buncha valid points there.

We need to mass email Disney!!

Oh come on, this is a horrible rumour.

1-They can't tear down something that's in the exact middle of the Liberty Belle's path. It's an island for crying out loud.
2-Don't know about Tom Sawyer? Pssh, who's Brer Rabbit then? What's a Iguanadon? Who's Indiana Jones? Same concept..
3-Destroying a play ground for children isn't too smart right now, especially since new areas for children are popping up all over the place. The kids need somewhere to chill out, and this is the perfect place.

number 2 i dont know who the heck those peoples are



3. i partly agree

What if Pirates one day loses popularity? Do they really need 2 attractions themed to the same thing? The island is in Frontierland, therefore it should remain Tom Sawyer because that fits in better with everything else around it. Brer Rabbit across from pirates? I can't see that. I'll miss those caves. I love walking around in them and screaming to scare people.

I Love That Place! I Love Hiding In The Caves And Scaring My Family When They Come By!! Aww Man!!!

Really there is a real person called Mark Twain and he made a movie called The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and so in other movies, cartoons and books there are characters called Tom Sawyer and there are real people called tom sawyer mostly polititionsMark Twain was just the pen name of author and journalist Samuel Clemens. He wrote the book The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and its three sequels The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Tom Sawyer, Detective, and Tom Sawyer Abroad, as well as a couple of dozen short stories with Tom Sawyer in them.

The island itself is inspired by the first book - specifically Injun Joe and his cave.

The interesting thing is Walt Disney never made a Tom Sawyer film. When I point out my disagreement with today's Disney management basing all Disneyland attractions on movies, the existance of Tom Sawyer's Island is one of my points. Walt did not base every attraction on his films.

Aww, I haven't been there in like years and I still don't want it to be taken down. :( A lot of the classical attractions are starting to disappear. :(

The interesting thing is Walt Disney never made a Tom Sawyer film. When I point out my disagreement with today's Disney management basing all Disneyland attractions on movies, the existance of Tom Sawyer's Island is one of my points. Walt did not base every attraction on his films.
My favorite attractions at Disneyland were not based on movies:


The Haunted Mansion
Pirates of the Caribbean
It's a Small World
Jungle Cruise
Adventures Through Inner Space
Carousel of Progress


I wish Disney would make more like these classic attractions. I mean, sure, the new Monsters, Inc. ride is fun, but it's really just another variation on Snow White/Pinocchio/Peter Pan/Mr. Toad/Alice/Roger Rabbit/Winnie the Pooh/etc.

Maybe they will make it a Pixar Island...The Horror!!

On the real, though, I could see a revamp of the classic island because, even though we like the island as is, it is not the most popular and exciting attraction. I like to go and relax there, even though my wife hates it, but many times I hear griping and complaints while I am there.

I was not a big fan of roller coasters as a kid. So while my parents burned off their E tickets, I used one of my D tickets to take the raft to the Island. My parents told me not to take the raft back until they came and got me (safer times back then). They were never gone long enough!! I loved running through that Island, playing in the caves, climbing in the Fort.

Whatever they decide to do with it, I hope they keep it as fun as it was back then.

Walt did not base every attraction on his films.

In fact, the only rides he DID base on movies were the ones found in Fantasyland. Everything else was an original concept. At this rate, I honestly don't know if I can picture them creating a ride that doesn't have box-office success to "justify" it's conception. Nobody has the guts to take risks anymore. Or, those that do are being hand-cuffed by the higher-ups. I'd be curious to know (and too lazy to figure it out on my own) when the last original Disneyland ride opened? Before the Pixar onslaught, before Winnie the Pooh, Indiana Jones, and Splash Mountain and Star Tours..what was the last to actually stand on it's own?

Turning to the real issue of this thread, Tom Sawyer's Island, I also heard the rumors from MiceAge before my most recent trip to Disneyland and realized that I had never really been over there. It seemed as if I'd ridden on the raft, but I had no recollection of exploring the island and I was more than a little ashamed considering the number of times I've been to Disneyland and the fact that I was very familiar with Tom Sawyer growing up.

So last Saturday, I took my little 7 year old sister over (it was actually just the 2 of us on this particular trip) and we decided to discover every inch of that place. It was one of the best decisions of the day because she absolutely loved it and it was so fun to see that excitement and wonder on her face as she attempted to search out every hidden cave and secret path that existed -- and even some that didn't. After we got out of the caves she started thinking that everything was a passageway in disguise and tried going through some bushes that clearly weren't designed as an entrance to anything. It was pretty funny, and it was so great to see that kind of creativity and imagination in her. In short, I'm very happy we got to fully experience the island at least once, and here's hoping that Pirates-land respects its current boundaries and lets us revisit Tom's turf not just through the many pictures we took that day..

That soooooo stinks!!!! ARGH!!!!! How could they?!? I love that island, and I hate that their tearing down the old stuff. Arg!!!!! First Pirates then this! Arg!!!

Mark Twain was just the pen name of author and journalist Samuel Clemens. He wrote the book The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and its three sequels The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Tom Sawyer, Detective, and Tom Sawyer Abroad, as well as a couple of dozen short stories with Tom Sawyer in them.

The island itself is inspired by the first book - specifically Injun Joe and his cave.

The interesting thing is Walt Disney never made a Tom Sawyer film. When I point out my disagreement with today's Disney management basing all Disneyland attractions on movies, the existance of Tom Sawyer's Island is one of my points. Walt did not base every attraction on his films.


Not that it impacts TSI, but just a point:

Samuel Clemons did base many of the incidents in his Tom Sawyer / Huck Finn books upon his own childhood experiences (although drawn out and edited to fit the context of his books). Most of the main characters are based upon boyhood friends and there is a real cave that Mr. Clemons played in as a kid (in Hanibal, Missouri) where a vagrant lived.


For me, the WDW TSI holds a lot of fond memories from my childhood. Trekking around the island, through caves, swinging bridges, up and down the windmill, and through secret passages in the fort. It brought out the explorer in all of us -- what lies around that corner -- where does that path go -- how dark does this cave get -- how many times can we jump on the bridge before our parents get up set . . . all done in the perceived safety of Disney. In a time before there were playgrounds in the parks, it was the only place that kids could go to actually run around and be a kid and let off steam after waiting in long lines for an attraction that lasted only a few minutes.

No one knows Tom Sawyer?
Pft... Then I guess no one knows Mark Twain...
~Chaelle

In fact, the only rides he DID base on movies were the ones found in Fantasyland. Everything else was an original concept. Actually, much as admitting it undermines my own argument, this is not entirely true. Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse, Mike Fink Canal Boats, Davy Crocket Explorer Canoes, Nature's Wonderland, and even Jungle Cruise were based , in one respect or another, on Disney productions. The Matterhorn was "inspired" by Third Man on the Mountain, (as Jungle Cruise was inspired by the True Life Adventures). When I make my complaint against basing everything on films now, I draw a distinction between "based on" and "inspired by."

However, it is true when one were to say not every attraction use to contain an animated character outside of Fantasyland - but now we get them in Frontierland and Tomorrowland - as well as Epcot, Animal Kingdom, and every other place Disney puts an attraction. And that's truly a shame.

Hmm i dont think that is true, dont always believe wat you are told. I remember the tarzans tree house was something different
But i dont think they should, Tom Sawyers island is very nice place to relax

Before Tarzan's treehouse it was the treehouse from Swiss Family Robinson.
I don't think they should get rid of Tom Sawyer's. Even if I never go over there.

akalittlesteve wow that is interesting!

Tom Sawyer or Pirates.... TOM SAWYER!!!!!

i totally agree with schmoofy!

PLUS..... WHERE'S FANTASMIC GONNA GO????????

Tom Sawyer or Pirates.... TOM SAWYER!!!!!

i totally agree with schmoofy!

PLUS..... WHERE'S FANTASMIC GONNA GO????????
They'd still be able to perform Fantasmic! on the pirate-themed island, just as they now do on the Tom Sawyer-themed island, so that's not really an issue.

I'd just hate to lose Tom Sawyer's Island, though. It's yet another piece of Disneyland history in jeopardy of being senselessly "updated."

Fantasmic is on TSI?

Huh?

Fantasmic is on TSI?

Huh?
It is at Disneyland.

At Walt Disney World they have a special amphitheatre for it at Disney-MGM Studios, but there's no room for something like that at Disneyland, so they perform it on and around Tom Sawyer's Island.

Well, i'd prefer an awesome pirates island over an old tom sawyer island anyday! However, even though tom sawyer island bores me, its still really cool to be there. Also, its a classic, so it makes u sad and upset that its being taken away. To make an overall choice for me is tough, i guess i mean i like pirates more than tom sawyer, so pirates would be more fun.

♥

Tom Sawyer- A man named Tom who is a lawer. LOLZ

That would destroy the whole Frintierland program. Follows, they took down Discovery Island and very little people found out. So, it won't mess VMK up THAT bad. But in Disney world? How cruel xD

~MCR tb

♥

OK, here's the latest. Apparently the DLR people are shouting no to this idea, and for a simple reason: the island was made for a small number of guests to visit and the current numbers are currently where they want to keep them, more or less.

Were the island to change to the fad du jour (in this case, rhe current pirate thing), demands on the island would be way beyond the maximum for the island. Add to that the limited number of guests who can be taken at a time by way of the rafts, and something like this would spell absolute disaster.

Reports are the DLR execs have made this very clear, backed up by their statistics. The expect a problem like this (to a lesser extent, but still a problem) with the Sub ride, and they know having two problems like this in the same park = very angry and upset guests.

I would say not to expect this to happen unless they build a bridge or dig a tunnel.

This is great news. Long live Tom Sawyer's Island!

Go Tom Go!

No!! I love tom sawyer island. On VMK my name si TomSawyerrocks!!! No!!


- cries alot -


:xmas22: Tom!!(madhatter on break sorry) :xmas22:

No!! I love tom sawyer island. On VMK my name si TomSawyerrocks!!! No!!


- cries alot -


:xmas22: Tom!!(madhatter on break sorry) :xmas22:
You should read the whole thread before you post. Just three posts before yours is a message of hope! :)

Song of the South was released in the U.S. on November 12, 1946. It has had several U.S. rereleases, the most recent being a fortieth-anniversary rerelease in 1986.oh, i should never get facts from a site [with "lies" in the name] lol

My mom was talking to my dad about disney. So I listened in and heard that disney is thinking of tearing down Tom Sawyer's Island! I asked why and they said: " nobody knows who Tom Sawyer is ( not nobody but you get the picture ). I am so shocked! I asked my father if that would result of taking down Tom Sawyer's Island in VMK. He replieded: " most likely yes. " I mean come on who cares if we know who Tom Sawyer is or not. I like going on the boat! I hope they decide other wise to keep it! Please tell me what you think about this situation.
That may be one reason, but the most likely is the controversial words Mark Twian uses in his books, These words may have been used often during that time period but aren't acceptable now, in fact, many of schools have removed the books from the libraries and at schools

Always with usless info ;) :nemo:Nemo:nemo:

oh, i should never get facts from a site [with "lies" in the name] lol
Hmm. I just checked out that site, and... It's not as funny as it thinks it is.

this was expected. i hope they don't tear it down..i haven't been to Tom Sawyer Island in a few years..i'd feel bad if they tore it down before i got to go again..plus it's a classic :(

That may be one reason, but the most likely is the controversial words Mark Twian uses in his books, These words may have been used often during that time period but aren't acceptable now, in fact, many of schools have removed the books from the libraries and at schools

Always with usless info ;) :nemo:Nemo:nemo:
We can't even say the name of one of the Tom Sawyer-related places in VMK, because it's not in the dictionary!

hope they dont do it ...

NO!! That's NOT fair!! I love going and exploring in the caves after the boat ride they can't do this!!!!! NO IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!!!! DISNEY WILL BE MAKING A STUPID MISTAKE!!! That's if they do! NO!! :bawling:

sorry kids, but tom sawyers island is BORING. the only reason they probably keep it is for fantasmic.

their doing this to WDW to right?

sorry kids, but tom sawyers island is BORING. the only reason they probably keep it is for fantasmic.
Boring for you, perhaps, but many others enjoy exploring the island very much. It's one of my favorite parts of the park!

The only problem i see about tom sawyer island at WDW is that it needs refurbished badly. If they fix it up it will be alot better
But since ive never been to DLR tom sawyer island i have no clue

sorry kids, but tom sawyers island is BORING. the only reason they probably keep it is for fantasmic.Tom Sawyer's Island was built per Walt Disney's plan in keeping with the theme of Frontierland. Fantasmic has little to do with it. In fact, were that the case, they would have removed it long ago - a very expensive proposition. Regardless of your own bias against that attraction, the island has a purpose and a history of which Disney is very much aware.

The notion that is is boring is your opinion, not a statement of fact. Please give others on this site due respect when expressing your opinion by A) stating it is what you feel and B) not using the condescending term "sorry kids" when addressing your fellow members in this manner. There are those who disagree with your assessment, so please be courteous.

Thanks.

My mom was talking to my dad about disney. So I listened in and heard that disney is thinking of tearing down Tom Sawyer's Island! I asked why and they said: " nobody knows who Tom Sawyer is ( not nobody but you get the picture ). I am so shocked! I asked my father if that would result of taking down Tom Sawyer's Island in VMK. He replieded: " most likely yes. " I mean come on who cares if we know who Tom Sawyer is or not. I like going on the boat! I hope they decide other wise to keep it! Please tell me what you think about this situation.

OMG!I LOVED Tom Sawyer's Island!I went to it when i went too WDW!
I love the Island soo much,Even my mom did!We have to do something to stop them!:thahggeek27fz: :bawling: :sadd2:

sorry kids, but tom sawyers island is BORING. the only reason they probably keep it is for fantasmic.

What? Tom Sawyers is in the Magic Kingdom and Fantasmic is in MGM Studios. Totally different parks. They both do not affect the other. Besides, you might not like the island, but tons of other people do. Rafts are always full to go to it.

They say Tom Sawyers Island Will Become a Pirate Island (bc Kids like pirates more than Classic literature) Prove them Wrong Find a way to Show DLR you do know who Tom, Huck and Becky are and that they would be removing a piece of History rather that educating children on Why it is there and who Tom Sawyer is.

What? Tom Sawyers is in the Magic Kingdom and Fantasmic is in MGM Studios. Totally different parks. They both do not affect the other.You are discussing Walt Disney World. We are discussing Disneyland.

At Disneyland, Fantasmic is on the Rivers of America and uses Tom Sawyer's Island, the Mark Twain, and The Columbia.They say Tom Sawyers Island Will Become a Pirate IslandYou need to read the entire thread. There is news this will probably not happen.

Oh, got you. I just saw that this was under Magic Kingdoms and since there is only one Magic Kingdom, WDW, I thought that is what you were talking about.

No! They can't take it away - they can't they can't they can't!! :(

Oh, got you. I just saw that this was under Magic Kingdoms and since there is only one Magic Kingdom, WDW, I thought that is what you were talking about.FYI, Disneyland's alternate name is "The Magic Kingdom," something Walt called it himself. In fact, the recording at the entrance says "Welcome to the Magic Kingdom of Disneyland." That's why VMK is VMK and not something like VDTP.

Also, you'll note the forum name is "Magic Kingdoms" and this thread is in the subforum "Disneyland."

Back on topic: Word is leaking out that the pirate theme was finally rejected by Disney management, but an alternate change has been OK'd. Seems that Mark Twain wrote a story where Tom and Huck pretend to be pirates, so some changes will be made keeping that story line in mind, thereby keeping the island Tom Sawyer's Island. Changes will include enhancing some existing parts (like the caves and the fort) while adding some new items.

Just thought you should all know.

Boring for you, perhaps, but many others enjoy exploring the island very much. It's one of my favorite parts of the park!

hardly anything to explore. there are only about three cave things and they lead to nothing spectacular. but i guess its better than that bear hike thing at california adventure.

sorry kids, but tom sawyers island is BORING. the only reason they probably keep it is for fantasmic.

Not ture!!! I love Tom Sawyer Island. On VMK my name is TomSawyerrocks.And in RPG's my name is always Tommie Sawya or Sawyer.

Tom Sawyer's Island was built per Walt Disney's plan in keeping with the theme of Frontierland. Fantasmic has little to do with it. In fact, were that the case, they would have removed it long ago - a very expensive proposition. Regardless of your own bias against that attraction, the island has a purpose and a history of which Disney is very much aware.

The notion that is is boring is your opinion, not a statement of fact. Please give others on this site due respect when expressing your opinion by A) stating it is what you feel and B) not using the condescending term "sorry kids" when addressing your fellow members in this manner. There are those who disagree with your assessment, so please be courteous.

Thanks.

What? Tom Sawyers is in the Magic Kingdom and Fantasmic is in MGM Studios. Totally different parks. They both do not affect the other. Besides, you might not like the island, but tons of other people do. Rafts are always full to go to it.



forgive me, gatsby, i didnt mean to offend you. youre absolutely right, my bias against the island probably stems from my lack of imagination. i was not fortunate enough to visit the island as a child and have only recently done so in my teens. So i suppose my judgment is completely unaccountable because...
im a big kid and i dont think its as totally cool as the little kids do:bnyikes:
and forgive me again for using the term "kids"
being the insensitive and unimaginative teen that i am, i didnt think that anyone older than the age of 10 would delight in this attraction. It consisting of a few tunnels and cement reproductions of rock formations.

and Alex, i also wish to apologize to you.
ive never been to disneyworld... i was brainless enough to assume that the thread was about the island in Disneyland

my bad... hope i didnt offend you all too much.
keep it real. peace out.

Thank you Canteloupe. That was big of you.

you are very welcome, Oh Great Gatsby.

I have many fond memories of tilting on the rock like a seesaw - running up the walls of the fort and the anticpation of the log raft getting me to the island - keep some things as they were - a little history/memories go a long way.

THey can't take away Tom Sawyer's Island because if they do,
VMK will probably do the same, and what will Poor Gherkin do then,
she spends a lot of her time up there taking people through the
maze from Big Thunder Mountain to the top of Tom Sawyer's
Island for the Diver Quest. And she would get bored just
sitting in her room hee hee :xmastree:

Hi :santa2:

Just a thought :) but because people are saying they don't know who Tom Sawyer is shouldn't that be a solid, valid, reason for keeping the Island? I think if Disney can make it more informative then maybe a person will leave the Island wanting to go read the book after getting home.

The book is a classic. So much so that there is an Island in Disneyland for it! Must be something to it ;) :rudolf:

Just a thought :santa2:

Byes, LT

This is just a rumor..
Hopfully. He came
Amarica. He was
A Pineer. Hes My
Favrite..And lets
keep him. For He
Is the only Tom
Sayer. They even
made a Idien costume!!
Who is the man? Who Is
He? Lets all chant! TOM
TOM TOM TOM TOM TOM
SAYER!

forget the pirate idea (which is very nice but at the same time bad, since adventureland is already pretty much just jungle and pirates), i have a nice space idea disney needs. Looks like that is another thing i want to present to Disney.

How can you be thinking Of SPACE
At a time like this!

It's a true rumor, I've real all about this. Yes, it might be replaced with a pirate theme, but don't start sueing yet (LOL). Disney found out that in one of the Tom Sawyer adventures, they pretend to be pirates. Thus creating a pirate theme but not going totally off of the Tom Sawyer theme :)

~Key

It's a true rumor, I've real all about this. Yes, it might be replaced with a pirate theme, but don't start sueing yet (LOL). Disney found out that in one of the Tom Sawyer adventures, they pretend to be pirates. Thus creating a pirate theme but not going totally off of the Tom Sawyer theme :)

~KeyPlease read the entire thread. It appears Disney upper management already said no on this idea.

Please read the entire thread. It appears Disney upper management already said no on this idea.

Unfortunately, they are still playing with this idea. They are beginning to revisit the old Forton the island and have suggested doing what they call "Pirate's Lair at Tom Sawyer's Island." They have already started brainstorming and going back to old ideas. Their reasoning behind this actually ties in with the old classic novel The Adventures of Tom Sawyer. In the book, Tom and Huck pretend to be pirates and have a few adventures with this. So, the pirates idea can ultimately tie into the old island.

A few ideas they are looking into are:

A skeleton in one of the caves that would say, "Dead men definitely do tell tales." The Idea was for the revamping of POTC, but was scraped after a lot of complaints on what the plan called on removing. The new plan is to have it installed and to pop out above you while going through the cave.
Reopen the fort. The fort has been closed after some unstable parts were never tended to fixing. Now they plan to see if the land can be modified or salvaged, so that the budget can be either greater or less.
Having Sparrow visit the island once the renovation is fixed to promote the new pirate lair idea.


Now, the only part is the official confirmation on putting the ideas forth, but so far, the "Lair" Idea seems to be a go getter!

Just a few days ago I had the great pleasure of visiting Disneyland with someone who had never been before, and one of the highlights of our visit was our time on Tom Sawyer Island. It's a fun place to run and climb and explore, and I don't think it needs any "updating."

Just a few days ago I had the great pleasure of visiting Disneyland with someone who had never been before, and one of the highlights of our visit was our time on Tom Sawyer Island. It's a fun place to run and climb and explore, and I don't think it needs any "updating."

Agreed. I think I actually posted earlier on this thread about experiencing TSI with my little 7 year old sister for the first time. I can't believe it took me so long to get over there, but we both loved it and it was such a great place for her to run around and take a break from having to wait in lines. Being a kid at a Disneyland should be all about adventure and exploration and I can't think of a better place to currently do that. I understand the park will always continue to grow and change, and I definitely think that the island could benefit from some updates and additions (like reopening the fort), but they should stick with the current theme. We have enough Pirates as it is.

Wow! Would they really tear it down just because not many people know who he is? o_O I hope not >_<

my dad said that is one of the reasons they didn't rebuild 20,000 leagues under the sea.

I know who tom sawyer is,I read the book in school.I been to Tom Sawyer Island at disney it is cool.Why would they tear it down because people didn't know who tom sawyer was.That is a major story to read in school. Tom Sawyer is a book character written by Mark Twain.That is sad if disney is going to tear it down because of some people who never heard of it.

I know who tom sawyer is,I read the book in school.I been to Tom Sawyer Island at disney it is cool.Why would they tear it down because people didn't know who tom sawyer was.That is a major story to read in school. Tom Sawyer is a book character written by Mark Twain.That is sad if disney is going to tear it down because of some people who never heard of it.

Exactly what I think but it seems that other peoples don't.

I no what they are going to do
ok so Dl made most their parking lot into california aventure
now Dl has no more room for more exciting rides
tom sawers island is boring if you ask me i mean i rather be ridign rides then walking around a fake island but if the imagenieers tore it down i no that they will build a new ride that will be better then tom sayers island i no this because my uncle goes to their meetings and told me about this a year ago
so i will be surprised if they dont tear it down

I no what they are going to do
ok so Dl made most their parking lot into california aventure
now Dl has no more room for more exciting rides
tom sawers island is boring if you ask me i mean i rather be ridign rides then walking around a fake island but if the imagenieers tore it down i no that they will build a new ride that will be better then tom sayers island i no this because my uncle goes to their meetings and told me about this a year ago
so i will be surprised if they dont tear it down

It's not surprising that a girl isn't excited abot TSI; Barbie never did much for me!

The plan is not a "ride" but another attraction, possibly with props such as:

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My memories of TSI have little to do with Tom, Huck and Becky. I simply enjoyed the fort, caves and pathways to explore. I think a pirate theme could be enjoyable.

i would be happy to see the wdw tom sawyer island go and something new go into its place like a new ride, mk doesnt need anymore shows it needs a new good ride. personally i didnt like the island.. that or make a vmk island in the mk idk what was an idea

I am Related to the guy who wrote Tom sawyer

I hope they don't remove Tom Sawyer's Island; it's one of my favorite places in the park!

Maybe they'll just rename and redesign it, like they did when they turned the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse into the Tarzan attraction.

Disney is losing all its classics! :(


Nope i just went to WDW and the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse is still called the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse
lol

Nope i just went to WDW and the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse is still called the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse
lol
He's talking Disneyland, where the treehouse was redone into Tarzan.

Nope i just went to WDW and the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse is still called the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse
lolHe's talking Disneyland, where the treehouse was redone into Tarzan.
Yes, the treehouse at Disneyland was completely remade. I prefer the classic version, but I suppose even fewer people know who the Robinson family are than know Tom Sawyer.

I've never been to Tom Sawyer Island and I've been going to Disneyland literally since I was knee high. I guess I was curious to try paddling the canoes going there but as for the actual island I don't think it would have been much fun. Disneyland is about imagination and fun but through attractions. I think they botched POTC the ride when they redid it; it was totally unecassary. But this idea of a POTC themed island can prove to be interesting.

Friend, fear not. Here is what I have heard they plan on doing with the old Tom Sawyers Island:

Nothing.

Friend, fear not. Here is what I have heard they plan on doing with the old Tom Sawyers Island:

Nothing.As I've reported previously, they are doing something, but the pirate island idea is definitely out. They will be doing enhancements, and the "Pirate Tom" story tie in is still being tossed around. But there won't be anything on a massive scale for the crowd reasons I've already posted.

I've never been to Tom Sawyer Island and I've been going to Disneyland literally since I was knee high. I guess I was curious to try paddling the canoes going there but as for the actual island I don't think it would have been much fun. Disneyland is about imagination and fun but through attractions. Tom Sawyer's Island was all about something that was very dear to Walt Disney's heart; the world of make believe! Once upon a time kids used to pretend all sorts of things while wandering through the tunnels, climbing on the rocks, running through the fort.....It was lightly themed after Tom, Becky, Huck and Injun Joe, but the real magic happened inside every child, and oddly enough, required no big-screen movie to pull it together. I wish you and countless others could have seen it before so much of it was taken apart.It's not surprising that a girl isn't excited abot TSI; Barbie never did much for me!Ooh, them's fightin' words, mister!

My two sisters and I used to drag our folks to the Island almost the moment we got in the park. Oh, and we brought along our little brother, too. ;)

I hope it stays, I spend a lot of time up on Tom Sawyers Island
helping people through the 'Maze' to get to the top of Tom
Sawyers Island for the 'Divers' Quest. Wow! I will be made
redundant and will have to go back and spend more time in
my Jar
Pick.ill

Just an article I found on the main newspaper for Orange County, CA:

Disneyland officials are saying "Aye!" to pirates, but "Arrr!" to looting Tom Sawyer Island.

Officials announced Friday that live pirate characters and games will become part of Tom Sawyer Island, the classic Disneyland playground designed by Walt Disney himself.

Disney officials also announced plans to open the Toy Story Mania! ride next year in Disney's California Adventure. The interactive ride will incorporate game technology, similar to the Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters attraction in Disneyland. Riders will put on 3-D glasses and shoot at targets with toy cannons along the track. The ride is under construction.

In regard to the island, it leaked out late last year that Disneyland wanted to banish Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn, and instead turn it into another Pirates of the Caribbean attraction.

In the end, designers decided to integrate the pirate subplots from Mark Twain's books, calling it "Pirate's Lair at Tom Sawyer Island."

"I think that the word getting out sort of helped it remain a little bit more Tom Sawyerish than it would have been," said Al Lutz, editor of Miceage.com, a Disney watchdog Web site that reported the news last year.

The makeover is to coincide with the planned May release of "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End," the third in the movie series that popularized pirates and is based on the Disneyland ride.

Rob Doughty, Disneyland's spokesman, said the island will retain Walt Disney's original vision. Old concept drawings show pirate imagery, including Jolly Roger flags on the rafts used to get to the Frontierland island.

Pirate details will go in Tom and Huck's treehouse and Smuggler's Cove, keeping the rope and barrel bridges. Visitors will search for buried treasure on the island, while live pirate characters wander.

<name removed>, an Anaheim resident since 1954 who lives about <removed> away, said she worries the island will become too commercialized.

"I prefer to leave it just as an island. Why tie it into pirates? We've already got Pirates of the Caribbean and enough stuff in New Orleans Square," said <removed>.

why dont they just build another world dedicated to pirates? adventureland part 2

Well, I can't remember the actual dates right now, but the DL TSI will be going down within the next few months. I will post the dates as soon as I can find/get them.

why dont they just build another world dedicated to pirates? adventureland part 2
Where? They've already pretty much run out of space in Disneyland.

Where? They've already pretty much run out of space in Disneyland.

Yes, but they have aquired quite a bit more outside the park.


I would hate to see one of Walt's favorite attractions messed with.
But, then again, the island has had changes already.

There has always been pirate themed stuff in the parks.

whats next a High School Musical Island?

why dont they just build another world dedicated to pirates? adventureland part 2

i dont think they can, because each land is not just 1 thing, its about different movies all comming together, it has themes.

what i was thinking they could build a mini-land or 3-4 rides or shows of pirates, sparrow, cap. hook , ect. ect.

even though they dont have the space, im sure they would think of something, but never to take down tom sawyer, it was one of walt's favorite

whats next a High School Musical Island?
Shh! Don't give them any ideas!

Building on the rich stories of Mark Twain's legendary characters, enhancements at Tom Sawyer Island will have new overlays for a Pirates Lair at Tom Sawyer Island, beginning this spring. Surprises to be found will include pirate details added to Tom & Huck's Treehouse, Smuggler's Cove, a "Dead Man's Grotto" in the island caveners, a "Pirate's Den" on the Castle Rock, and opportunities to search for buried treasure while encountering live pirates.


Sounds interesting. http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/ooo.gif

No :( I don't want it to be tear down!

Oh come on, this is a horrible rumour.

1-They can't tear down something that's in the exact middle of the Liberty Belle's path. It's an island for crying out loud.
2-Don't know about Tom Sawyer? Pssh, who's Brer Rabbit then? What's a Iguanadon? Who's Indiana Jones? Same concept..
3-Destroying a play ground for children isn't too smart right now, especially since new areas for children are popping up all over the place. The kids need somewhere to chill out, and this is the perfect place.

1 it can be torn down anddchanged into a new island exibit
2 Come on Brer Rabbit everyone knows him an Iguanadon is a Dinosaur duh
and Indiana Jones just rocks
3 at WDW i barely see anyone over there i say tear down the dump and put in the pirate stuff

whats next a High School Musical Island?

that's another thing why in the world is High School Musical in Tomorrowland i mean most ppl hate the movie and it has nothing to do with future


sorry about double post

Oh come on, this is a horrible rumour.

1-They can't tear down something that's in the exact middle of the Liberty Belle's path. It's an island for crying out loud.
2-Don't know about Tom Sawyer? Pssh, who's Brer Rabbit then? What's a Iguanadon? Who's Indiana Jones? Same concept..
3-Destroying a play ground for children isn't too smart right now, especially since new areas for children are popping up all over the place. The kids need somewhere to chill out, and this is the perfect place.



Oooh, I Like that!

Schmoofy has a point. :P

Many people don't know who Brer Rabbit is.. Including my sisters.

>.< I hope they don't tear it down!

Oh come on, this is a horrible rumour.

1-They can't tear down something that's in the exact middle of the Liberty Belle's path. It's an island for crying out loud.
2-Don't know about Tom Sawyer? Pssh, who's Brer Rabbit then? What's a Iguanadon? Who's Indiana Jones? Same concept..
3-Destroying a play ground for children isn't too smart right now, especially since new areas for children are popping up all over the place. The kids need somewhere to chill out, and this is the perfect place.

Please note, I said this last year, way before anything official was ever done by Disney. It now looks like there will in fact be changes done to the Island.

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Looks like they're doing something like that:

http://www.vmkforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1395410#post1395410

As far as I can see.. Tom Sawyer's island will be staying?

I think it looks pretty cool, and at least they're keeping Tom in the story :)

I'm extreamly happy that they're still keeping Tom in the story. I'm also glad that they're doing it at DLR, not at WDW :D.

Sounds like they're not going to change all that much.

Good.

Sounds like they're not going to change all that much.

Translation: They went cheap on it.

Translation: They went cheap on it.
Hey, I don't care what their reason is. I'm just glad it's not changing much.

Sounds like they're not going to change all that much.

Good.

Hmm, I don't know what level of change you were previously anticipating, but I still think it's going to be a pretty radically different place. Forget the days of exploring the empty caves and leisurely walking the dusty trails. This once was a haven from crowds and long lines, but those days will soon be over. I guess that's good for Disneyland, but I'll miss Tom's place almost being sort of a secret. Al Lutz has given a detailed report of the expected alterations and additions on www.miceage.com, if I'm allowed to post that. He's usually not too far off from the truth. :)

Hmm, I don't know what level of change you were previously anticipating, but I still think it's going to be a pretty radically different place. Forget the days of exploring the empty caves and leisurely walking the dusty trails. This once was a haven from crowds and long lines, but those days will soon be over. I guess that's good for Disneyland, but I'll miss Tom's place almost being sort of a secret. Al Lutz has given a detailed report of the expected alterations and additions on www.miceage.com (http://www.miceage.com), if I'm allowed to post that. He's usually not too far off from the truth. :)
Sure, the Island will be a bit more popular for a month or two, but once people realize there's still really nothing there, the place will again become as deserted as Monster's, Inc.: Mike and Sully to the Rescue!

Oh, that should be fun. I'm going to DLR this summer.


the place will again become as deserted as Monster's, Inc.: Mike and Sully to the Rescue!
That was cute, but they should have done something else with that space.

~Spotty

Sure, the Island will be a bit more popular for a month or two, but once people realize there's still really nothing there, the place will again become as deserted as Monster's, Inc.: Mike and Sully to the Rescue!

Y'know, I still haven't been on that ride.

In any case, prepare for paraphrase phase!

With four pirate stunt shows per day involving stuntmen racing down zip lines and jumping off rooftops, live musicians, talk-like-a-pirate lessons, and general pirate mayhem all taking place in plain view of everyone in the area, it will definitely be a bigger draw than Monsters Inc. in Disneyland's red-headed sibling of a park. I think the part I'm most excited about are the cannons that will be placed along the perimeter of the stage where junior pirates can practice firing cannonballs at passing canoes and the good guys on the Sailing Ship Columbia with big splash effects going off just as they do in the Battle Scene of the famous ride nearby. But the real prize for anyone firing a cannon on the island is going to be the newly installed collapsible chimneys on the rooftops of New Orleans Square that will periodically be "hit" by cannon fire and knock down in a puff of smoke (only to reset themselves a few minutes later when no one is looking).

So forget the Shooting Gallery, Neo. If these cannons actually take any skill to manipulate, our wager is on who can blast the most smoke stacks.

My point in mentioning the Monsters attraction is just that a year ago, when it first opened, the lines were enormous, and everybody was complaining about the lack of a FastPass system. These days, however, the novelty has worn off, and anyone can just walk right on the ride with no waiting.

The same thing will happen after the excitement dies down on the revamped Tom Sawyer's Island.

My point in mentioning the Monsters attraction is just that a year ago, when it first opened, the lines were enormous, and everybody was complaining about the lack of a FastPass system. These days, however, the novelty has worn off, and anyone can just walk right on the ride with no waiting.

The same thing will happen after the excitement dies down on the revamped Tom Sawyer's Island.

Well obviously few attractions can maintain the popularity and buzz they first receive, but the difference here is that Monsters is basically a pretty generic dark ride in an area that's filled with them. The island is something completely unique to the resort and really, to all of the Disney parks. It shares center stage honors with only Sleeping Beauty's castle, and with people seeing it from several vantage points as they walk through the park, and having the river act as a "grass is greener on the other side" tool, I think it will stay consistently popular. One should never underestimate the appeal of free entertainment for the kids. They will absolutely eat up the chance to meet a real pirate, see them in battle, fire some cannons along side them, and learn their ways. Pirate infatuation, although recently helped by Depp & crew, has been around for a long time and will continue to be a successful draw even after they stop cranking out sequels.

Well, the island is cool and all but that fort has never been open since I've been there and the caves get old after a while and there's just not much to do there. So I'm glad they're doing some stuff to make it cooler but I wish they would have made a ride there or something. Like a Injun Joes cave ride or something.

Interesting theory. I'm don't think they will, Tom's Island has been there for a long time! So I am pretty sure it will not be taken down, they need that area for the canoe adventure and a couple of the shows. As for VMK, I also doubt it. Tom's Island is a Disney tradition :) I hope they keep it, I don't go on the island much but it's great anyways :)

Interesting theory. I'm don't think they will, Tom's Island has been there for a long time! So I am pretty sure it will not be taken down, they need that area for the canoe adventure and a couple of the shows. As for VMK, I also doubt it. Tom's Island is a Disney tradition :) I hope they keep it, I don't go on the island much but it's great anyways :)

The Lion King Show was there for a long time too but then one day Magic Kingdom workers said "Let's make Mickey's Philhar Magic-starring Donald Duck!"

in writing and reserch i read a book ALL ABOUT HIM !!!! and injoe joe was a mean person and hunk was his best friend and they had to find the gold

The Lion King Show was there for a long time too but then one day Magic Kingdom workers said "Let's make Mickey's Philhar Magic-starring Donald Duck!"

this is about DLR's island. there's never been a lion king show or philharmagic.

Oh come on, this is a horrible rumour.

1-They can't tear down something that's in the exact middle of the Liberty Belle's path. It's an island for crying out loud.
2-Don't know about Tom Sawyer? Pssh, who's Brer Rabbit then? What's a Iguanadon? Who's Indiana Jones? Same concept..
3-Destroying a play ground for children isn't too smart right now, especially since new areas for children are popping up all over the place. The kids need somewhere to chill out, and this is the perfect place.

I know. Disney makes alot ofmoney of stuff

EX: That So Raven Disney Channel SHow:CANCELLED. And they made alot of money of that show.

this is about DLR's island. there's never been a lion king show or philharmagic.

I think they were referring to the fact that the Disney company randomly replaces things, and no area is immune. http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/Yay.gif

Don't forget, DL regs, that this Saturday and Sunday (as far as I know) are the last chances to see Fantasmic before it goes down for the Rehabbing.

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Don't forget, DL regs, that this Saturday and Sunday (as far as I know) are the last chances to see Fantasmic before it goes down for the Rehabbing.

Will the Island still be open this weekend?

Will the Island still be open this weekend?

I would assume so, since I don't think they're really close to ready to "start" remodeling. They're just moving Fan! out of the way. I couldn't give a definate answer, though. All I know is the schedule I've been told regaurding the show. I haven't heard anything regard the island schedule itself. http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/hmmm.gif



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I would assume so, since I don't think they're really close to ready to "start" remodeling. They're just moving Fan! out of the way. I couldn't give a definate answer, though. All I know is the schedule I've been told regaurding the show. I haven't heard anything regard the island schedule itself.

But if they're not ready to start work on the Island, why close Fantasmic!?

But if they're not ready to start work on the Island, why close Fantasmic!?

Well...it's Disney http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/DerHe.gif
The show needs some upkeep, and it is the "down season", so I guess they thought it would be the best time. I've heard it's down for 4 months, and that a certain other lovely parade may come back early to compensate http://www.ilovetherain.com/*******/Chibi.gif

And like I said, I'm going off of heresay and what I've seen, so it's possible that they are ready, I just haven't seen any hardhats when I've been over there. Which could be an good implication that the island is still open to guests during the day. http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/happycbig.gif

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Aww, I'm gonna miss Fantasmic. :(

Aww, I'm gonna miss Fantasmic. :(

If you love something, let it go. If it loves you, it'll come back...in around 4 months http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/happycbig.gif

Oh, and apperantly my guess was wrong. The island is closed to guests, as of this past Monday, from what I've been told.

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oh my gosh =( but do ur parents even work there

oh my gosh =( but do ur parents even work there

hehe No. My parents do not work there. http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/e.gif



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it would be so sad if they tore it down and i would be so so so angery!

I was walking on new orleans square when i saw this sign:

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It says pirates lair will be opening as a new addition to tom sawyers island this summer. :-)

Summer 2007? That's not far off.

Hmm.. Interesting find.

sweet (too short)

Hmm.. Interesting find.

Yeah.. odd there was only one sign on one boat.. i decided to take a picture of it. ,-,

Yeah.. odd there was only one sign on one boat.. i decided to take a picture of it. ,-,
Yeah, I was just in New Orleans Square yesterday, and I didn't notice this. Thanks for sharing it with us!

Yeah, I was just in New Orleans Square yesterday, and I didn't notice this. Thanks for sharing it with us!

Your welcome.. also this means fantasmic is closed too.. thats at least what i heard.. i was there yesterday also and i heard somewhere it was the last show until june or something. The sign was just added today i think.

i hop it is not a bad one change

They aren't actually tearing it down. they are changing it into a pirate fort.

I understand why, bc if you think about it that place is a little overwhelming for parents. (btw i am not a parent, just an opinion) they have ot watch their kids and know where there going. I know it is a littlie like that in disney land, too, but this is in the middle of WATER. A little scary. Plus, the low ceiling in the caves. One time, my mom was walking out of a cave, and hit her head so hard she started crying. I hope my point is made atleast a little.

P.S. Tinker Bell rocks. (Just had an urge to say that..)

Yours Truly,
T'spal

Those caves can be a bit difficult to navigate for big people like me, but I hope they don't change them! They're so much fun!

Those caves can be a bit difficult to navigate for big people like me, but I hope they don't change them! They're so much fun!

i agree with you. i know i'm not full grown yet, but i can get claustrophobig. but tom sawer's island was such a nice place to explore!

yeah, those caves are really small in WDW (i have never been to DLR so i dont know what they are like). On top of that, you can barely see in them. So in the end, you're playing the "find your way out without falling or banging your head" game.

Also Neoteny, if they closed Fantasmic in DLR then that must mean the new water show spectacular planned must be for DLR. That means you will have the same show, or the same show a little different, in a different spot.

Disney just released this promotional art for Pirates Lair.




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