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09-24-2006, 12:52 AM
Discuss the new Finding Nemo Sub ride here. Did you like it? Did you hate it? Tell us!
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View Full Version : Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage KEBSD 09-24-2006, 12:52 AM Discuss the new Finding Nemo Sub ride here. Did you like it? Did you hate it? Tell us! ~Key Dudejoejoe 09-24-2006, 12:55 AM Better late then never i suppose. Like it matters to me i'll never go to DLR. SurfedUpDane 11-12-2006, 08:22 PM A CM in tomorrowland told me that the reason this project has been taking longer than expected is due to some recent buglary. A man was seen walking down the old Harbor Blvd. wearing a 6-pound Nemo AA around his neck. When asked where he got it, he quickly removed it from the chain and chucked it over a near-by fence, only to reply with, "what Nemo AA?" This is not the only instance. Another source, on the adventureland side of the park, told me that CM's that were unable to pay their rent had been sleeping in the submarine caves. The Disney Co. didn't have a problem with this, although as you may be aware, there are no places to "freshen up" in these caves, resulting in an altogether different set of problems. matterhornmaniac 11-13-2006, 02:11 AM the problem with your first story is that their will be no animatronics of the main characters, just projections. therefore no nemo AA construction happens at night in the caves, therefore leaving the cm nowhere to stay. and though there is nowhere to "freshen up" in the caves, the cm would have access to showers in costuming. even if it was true that a cm could sleep in the caves, disney would NEVER allow it. they don't even let you stay overnight in the cm parking lot sorry to break it to you, but the cms fabricate stories to have fun with the guests. i've been known to do it myself Nemofinder 11-13-2006, 02:29 AM A CM in tomorrowland told me that the reason this project has been taking longer than expected is due to some recent buglary. A man was seen walking down the old Harbor Blvd. wearing a 6-pound Nemo AA around his neck. When asked where he got it, he quickly removed it from the chain and chucked it over a near-by fence, only to reply with, "what Nemo AA?" This is not the only instance. Another source, on the adventureland side of the park, told me that CM's that were unable to pay their rent had been sleeping in the submarine caves. The Disney Co. didn't have a problem with this, although as you may be aware, there are no places to "freshen up" in these caves, resulting in an altogether different set of problems.CM humor nothing more KEBSD 11-13-2006, 03:51 AM I believe there are no projections in this one. I think they are in fact using AA's, but they aren't underwater. They are behind glass not seen by guests, so it looks like they're in water, but really there's no water in there. That's what I've heard. ~Key matterhornmaniac 11-14-2006, 12:14 AM its true they are behind glass, but they will still be using projections Proracer1 11-14-2006, 12:27 AM Seems like CM humor to me also. PirateMario 02-05-2007, 02:52 AM When Is The New Submarine Voyage Gonna Open Is It Sometime In June?? matterhornmaniac 02-05-2007, 09:39 AM june 11, 2007 is the tentative date Neoteny 02-05-2007, 01:46 PM Is there going to be a FastPass? KEBSD 02-05-2007, 02:54 PM Is there going to be a FastPass? If there is, it's hidden behind walls. I've heard that they still won't get handicap people on the ride. So the handicap people will go to a room in which they will watch a video of the ride. ~Key skip 02-05-2007, 03:08 PM Is there going to be a FastPass? The latest Unofficial Guide to Disneyland said that Finding Nemo would be FastPass... it's going to need it, as the capacity isn't going to be exactly huge. As for the show scenes: I've seen some behind-the-scenes pictures, and it looks like there will in fact be both state of the art projections and audio-animatronics. I hear that the Angler AA found in the new Epcot Nemo ride may make an appearance here... :D -Skip matterhornmaniac 02-06-2007, 08:10 AM last i heard, there'd be no fastpass. that was a while ago when ouimet was still around. don't know if its changed since then figmentisback 02-11-2007, 09:47 AM No Fastpass for the subs.. its to low of a capacity to have it. handicap will have a special enhanced theater thing to experience if they are unable to descend and ascend the stairs. (The subs are grandfathered for ADA requirements) jspiwak1989 02-11-2007, 11:12 AM no fastpass yes to single rider yes to the wheel chair thing and yes the ride is supposed to open june 11 2007 figmentisback 02-23-2007, 03:13 AM their was no single rider line that I heard, of course they might have added it into the plans due to the low capacity of the attraction. ittybittypinky 03-25-2007, 12:36 AM ew. did i here someone say that it wont open until june?! i cant believe it! i have not gone to disneyland forever, and then this year i am going twice in the first 3 months and i still wont make it! ughhh! CapnOlaf 03-25-2007, 12:37 AM Why not bring it back from the dead at Disney World too?! >_< camara 03-25-2007, 02:09 AM Looks like we're getting a Finding Nemo DLR quest this summer...yay, more DLR only items i, as well as everybody else over here on the east coast, is going to trade for. I'm so thrilled, it adds on to my list of mickey rewards items and the red spacesuit magic. :Smiley - Harump: Nemofinder 03-25-2007, 04:13 AM Yay Nemo items !! Neoteny 03-25-2007, 05:09 AM Looks like we're getting a Finding Nemo DLR quest this summer... Was this in the newsletter? I missed this information. KEBSD 03-26-2007, 10:38 PM I missed that as well, Neoteny... Wow, looks like the finishing touches are being added! I went to Disneyland yesterday to see a submarine arriving back at the station, as well as two crabs MOVING. Yep, they were on. ~Key ChrisR 03-26-2007, 10:40 PM sorry, but whats a AA? i sound like a park newb.. Neoteny 03-27-2007, 02:06 AM sorry, but whats a AA? i sound like a park newb.. Audio-animatronic. Those robot characters in the Pirates of the Caribbean ride and stuff. TheCoasterNut 04-05-2007, 12:09 AM Well, I for one am excited for the new attraction, I just wish I could still get in the park anytime I wanted :( Princesspop 04-13-2007, 06:12 PM Sweet! I cant wait for nemo subs to open! they started track testing the subs too! almost there...:D CaptianNemo 04-13-2007, 06:21 PM Why not bring it back from the dead at Disney World too?! >_< Unfortunately, the submarine ride will never ride in WDW again. It was torn up a few short years ago and filled in. Now in its place is Poohs playful spot. Nemo faroutgirl 04-13-2007, 06:33 PM I will be waiting inline as I will be in DLR this summer. Also this ride can only handle 950 passangers an hours So I'm expecting a loonnnggg wait!!! TheCoasterNut 04-14-2007, 04:14 PM Anyone else see the new TV commercial where they state that one of the new "dreams" prizes is to ride Nemo before it opens to the public. That sounds like a pretty cool prize to me. But knowing Disney they will probably be sending thousands of people on this particular dream instead of having small, private cruises, which is what they implied on the new commercial. Neoteny 04-14-2007, 06:36 PM Anyone else see the new TV commercial where they state that one of the new "dreams" prizes is to ride Nemo before it opens to the public. That sounds like a pretty cool prize to me. But knowing Disney they will probably be sending thousands of people on this particular dream instead of having small, private cruises, which is what they implied on the new commercial. Yeah, saw that commercial. I'd still rather have the trip around the world Dream. NaviMap 05-18-2007, 09:25 PM The Walls finally came down earlier this week with a commissioning ceremony for the subs. No more sneaking quick photos from the monorail ;) http://www.vmkforums.com/gallery/data/506/medium/DLR_nemosub_preopen05.jpg (http://www.vmkforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=5638&size=big&cat=506) The seagulls move but no audio yet TheMoth 05-18-2007, 10:56 PM No more sneaking quick photos from the monorail or the autopia track :) I hope i can drive up to see it opening day. That would be pretty sick. Everyone be sure to bring your Nintendo DS at full charge so you have something to do in the 3 hour wait ;) http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sport/sport-smiley-027.gifNow that the walls are down, no swimming in the lagoon. Besides, the mermaids are gone http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sport/sport-smiley-027.gif Destination 05-18-2007, 11:02 PM What are AA's?? GreatGatsby 05-18-2007, 11:56 PM What are AA's??Audio Animatronics PrincessKala 05-19-2007, 03:32 AM Nice picture NaviMap! I want to ride it but I dpn't like tight places..escpecially underwater >_< It looks and sounds awesome though! ~Carrie KEBSD 05-19-2007, 04:27 PM I heard a few "Mine!" sounds last night. I spent forever around the lagoon! They had some divers out adjusting the animatronics, and a sub was out as well, and someone went into the sub and watched the animatronic to see if it did the right movement. We saw a diver pull out a red wig from the water. The waterfall was on, and all the lights were on behind it. How exciting! ~Key PrincessKala 05-19-2007, 04:53 PM How Exciting KEBSD! Only A Couple more weeks right? Anyone know the date it will Open? I heard June 8th Somewhere, But i'm not sure! ~Carrie Neoteny 05-19-2007, 05:41 PM We saw a diver pull out a red wig from the water. Is that part of the show? :confused: timmyastro 05-19-2007, 07:19 PM Nice , For now all i know is they are having a drawing to go on it four days early for annual passholders online. I managed to get a few shots with my camera phone when they took down the walls yesterday after school. Spent alot of time there after school and at night , looks really nice so far. Wish i could go to the pirates premiere today :( It opens for everyone June 11th. KEBSD 05-19-2007, 07:45 PM There's a little sign the shape of a sub and in the porthole windows it says how long till the ride opens. 24 more days! ~Key skip 05-19-2007, 11:06 PM For those confused, that wig is supposedly the hair of Darla (who is the scuba diver you can barely make out in the water). I can't wait for this, it looks fantastic! -Skip sonic99979 05-19-2007, 11:13 PM COOL!!! i still Remember the Finding Nemo Clam-mobiles... THAT ride WAS A LONG LONG long long long long line!!!!!!!!! Neoteny 05-19-2007, 11:41 PM For those confused, that wig is supposedly the hair of Darla (who is the scuba diver you can barely make out in the water). I can't wait for this, it looks fantastic! -Skip I was confused. Thanks. PrincessKala 05-20-2007, 12:44 AM Wow! I can't wait. Isn't Darla the Denist's Niece? ~Carrie LordIllidan 05-20-2007, 06:18 AM No more sneaking quick photos from the monorail ;) Or google maps XD or the autopia track :) Or google maps XD waitasec.... I hope i can drive up to see it opening day. That would be pretty sick. Everyone be sure to bring your Nintendo DS at full charge so you have something to do in the 3 hour wait ;) Ha! PSPs can last far longer than 3 hours at full charge. Y'know, as long as you don't have the wifi switch on. Or sound. Or the backlight. Or any of the buttons, for that matter. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sport/sport-smiley-027.gifNow that the walls are down, no swimming in the lagoon. Besides, the mermaids are gone http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sport/sport-smiley-027.gif Is that a clever joke about the old submarine ride I smell, and the foolhardy people that supposedly used to swim to the mermaids only to get hit by a submarine? There's a little sign the shape of a sub and in the porthole windows it says how long till the ride opens. 24 more days! ~Key Yay! So for sure it'll be open when I go to Disneyland in 2009! ;) figmentisback 05-24-2007, 09:38 AM COOL!!! i still Remember the Finding Nemo Clam-mobiles... THAT ride WAS A LONG LONG long long long long line!!!!!!!!! yes, but that attraction was an omni mover and has a high capacity, the submarines do not have a high capacity and will end up with long lines even when the hype ends in 2 years. Is that a clever joke about the old submarine ride I smell, and the foolhardy people that supposedly used to swim to the mermaids only to get hit by a submarine? Their used to be pretty girls dressed as mermaids in the outer lagoon, swimming around and looking pretty. They were removed when the lagoon's water was found to be too strong for them and most ended up with bleached hair, and mainly men would jump out to swim to them. I don't know if any ever got hit, but they were captured and detained most likely in the historic Disneyland Jail located backstage main street. Neoteny 05-24-2007, 02:12 PM yes, but that attraction was an omni mover and has a high capacity, the submarines do not have a high capacity and will end up with long lines even when the hype ends in 2 years. And yet I did not see a FastPass station anywhere near the place. :( GreatGatsby 05-24-2007, 04:01 PM And yet I did not see a FastPass station anywhere near the place. :(You're not likely to. It is because of the slower rider turnover that they won't have a fastpass for the Submarine Voyage. It would simply be adding fuel to the fire. I'm afraid you'll have to put up with a huge line that will be capped earlier in the evening than most DLR queues. Schmoofy 05-24-2007, 04:27 PM You're not likely to. It is because of the slower rider turnover that they won't have a fastpass for the Submarine Voyage. It would simply be adding fuel to the fire. Completely true. The slow boarding/unboarding will cause quite a stir, especially without FastPass. By chance, GG, do you know how they are going to board/unboard wheelchaired peoples? Carioca 05-24-2007, 04:54 PM By chance, GG, do you know how they are going to board/unboard wheelchaired peoples? The Submarine Voyage is not wheelchair accessible and because it was built before the Americans with Disabilities Act, it is not legally required to be. They had to be careful with the Nemo update to not actually change the nature of the ride or else it would be subject to the ADA. I've heard that Disney has built a small room that will display a movie of the Nemo Submarine Ride so that those in wheelchairs and their families can at least experience the ride in some form. Neoteny 05-24-2007, 06:22 PM The Submarine Voyage is not wheelchair accessible and because it was built before the Americans with Disabilities Act, it is not legally required to be. They had to be careful with the Nemo update to not actually change the nature of the ride or else it would be subject to the ADA. I've heard that Disney has built a small room that will display a movie of the Nemo Submarine Ride so that those in wheelchairs and their families can at least experience the ride in some form. How clever of Disney to find a way to get around the law like that! I guess accommodating their guests would just have cost too much. GreatGatsby 05-24-2007, 07:02 PM The Submarine Voyage is not wheelchair accessible and because it was built before the Americans with Disabilities Act, it is not legally required to be. They had to be careful with the Nemo update to not actually change the nature of the ride or else it would be subject to the ADA.Um, yes and no on that. I think the little room idea may work around the law, but the "won't change anything" part is not correct. I'll tell you how I know, and part of it was quite by accident. But first, a little piece of trivia: The Jungle Cruise is, by nature, not accessible either. But DLR built some special boats they can access quickly that have a center section with a platform/lift mechanism. The platform is moved to the dock, the wheelchair(s) placed on it, and it returns to the center of the boat and lowers into place. Pretty cool to watch. Back to how I know. I once worked for a place that had to retrofit the entrances to comply with the law. One building had been there since 1932, but there was no way to avoid the change: ALL normal entrances had to be changed. But at Disneyland, there was one major building that did not have wheelchair access and to make one would have completely altered the architecture: the Main Street Station of the Disneyland Railroad. The Disney people were absolutely against changing that building and looked for any loophole they could find to exempt that structure. They knew the idea, just now suggested for the Submarines, of "we won't change it so we won't have to" would not have worked. The law is not written that way. They came up with a solution, though: The Main Street Station of the Disneyland Railroad is now an official Historical Monument. Yes, it is. You can look it up in the registry. :happy8: As a result, not only did they not have to change it . . . they now can't change it. They will have to go through a ton of paperwork if they need to change anything on that building at all. Not that they mind. They just maintain it as it was built. But the Submarine Voyage has no such designation. Maybe this rumored viewing room suffices, and maybe they have a special sub now like the Jungle Cruise boats. Who knows. The entrance, however, has no exception under the law. Jacques 05-26-2007, 04:11 PM No special sub to my knowledge. No real way to make it accessible. Oh, and perhaps they should have dedicated the Skyway as a Historical Monument. It's the most obvious victim of the ADA. Schmoofy 05-27-2007, 04:08 PM http://***************/dlrpictorials/2007/05_25_07/tn_dsc01663.jpg I found this picture on another site and it does look like there is a room for a video or something for handicapped guests. EDIT: 1st, sorry Topz? Second, the room is official. This is probably another reason why there's no fastpasses for the ride. TheCoasterNut 05-28-2007, 07:41 AM They have a special theater for guests who can not venture down into the subs. Yes they are expecting to get many many complaints. And no they are not nor do they have any intention of attempting to create a handicap accessible submersible type vehicle. On a side note, I have a friend who works at the subs, has been on the ride, and says its amazing :) Neoteny 05-28-2007, 07:42 AM On a side note, I have a friend who works at the subs, has been on the ride, and says its amazing :) Where do we draw the line, though, between "amazing" and "worth the wait"? ShadowScamp 05-28-2007, 07:56 AM So the handicap people will go to a room in which they will watch a video of the ride. ~Key Sounds, uh, fun. Jacques 05-28-2007, 01:46 PM So the handicap people will go to a room in which they will watch a video of the ride. Do they also get a video of their family enjoying the actual ride? :wave2: GreatGatsby 05-28-2007, 03:44 PM Do they also get a video of their family enjoying the actual ride? :wave2:Nah, but they get the opportunity to sue to shut down the ride, thereby making it a casualty just like Sleeping Beauty's Castle and the Skyway, thereby ruining it for the rest of us. Jacques 05-28-2007, 04:14 PM Nah, but they get the opportunity to sue to shut down the ride, thereby making it a casualty just like Sleeping Beauty's Castle and the Skyway, thereby ruining it for the rest of us. Well the good thing is, due to the wheelchair-compliant bathroom mirrors, I can now see if my shoes are tied without having to look down. Wait a minute, GG. Are you telling me that's the reason my beloved Sleeping Beauty walk-through was shut down; because of a lawsuit? (Not that it was ever the same after the original Eyvind Earle dioramas were taken out.....) I heard it was closed due to 9/11 fears due to its landmark status. PrincessKala 05-28-2007, 05:05 PM Well, I hope that everyone enjoys the submarine ride, even Disability people. :) I hope it stays..for awhile.. ~Carrie GreatGatsby 05-29-2007, 07:08 PM Wait a minute, GG. Are you telling me that's the reason my beloved Sleeping Beauty walk-through was shut down; because of a lawsuit? (Not that it was ever the same after the original Eyvind Earle dioramas were taken out.....)Word I have is it's an attraction and therefore has to be wheelchair accessible, and since that's impossible without major refitting, Disney had to shut it down so as to not be in violation of the ADA. There was no lawsuit, nor one for the Skyway. There was a lawsuit against the Skyway prosecuted by a man who claimed to have fallen out due to a faulty door (or something) but the suit was dismissed when later he admitted tampering with the door himself. The current belief is that the Skyway was closed by Disney (in both parks) because of the ADA, while some suggest it was an OSHA thing. Six Flags Magic Mountain pulled their's at the same time. Either way, I have to wonder why the San Diego Zoo still has their's. Something is fishy in Denmark. California, too. Anyway, I do believe the castle was closed long before 9/11, but I'd need to research that further. Update: The castle was indeed closed in 2001, but sources indicate it was just a coincidence. The issue still appears to be handicap access. If any one needs further evidence on this, consider that A) you can still go in the shops and walk through the entryway, and B) the interior of Cinderella's Castle in WDW (probably a better "landmark") is still open and serving something they consider to be food. AlohaLiilo 06-03-2007, 05:35 AM Sorry if this has been posted before, I haven't read the other pages of this thread. Anyone know the exact opening date of the ride? PrincessSofia 06-03-2007, 07:23 AM I don't but also, I get to ride it on June 11th also, if you have potc3 for your DS go to the Potc ride area and look for the X when you find it, turn on DS Download and play I think and choose the bar that's the strongest, you'll get new outfits, but you have to be past Lv.1, so.... Just a tidbit of Info then you can play potc3 while you wait............ If you have Animal Crossing, Bring it!!! BanannaSplitzer 06-05-2007, 02:35 AM I Herd That The Submarines Are Going To Open In JUNE 11th,2007 PrincessKala 06-05-2007, 03:33 AM I Herd That The Submarines Are Going To Open In JUNE 11th,2007 This is true, It's on the Maps at Disneyland..all over them :D And there are also Banners saying June 11th on them also over by The Subarine intrance I belive.. ~Carrie AlohaLiilo 06-05-2007, 07:07 AM Woot! I thought it'd be a few months longer! Neoteny 06-05-2007, 07:09 AM Woot! I thought it'd be a few months longer! If you count the time it will take waiting in line, it will be! ;) Vmks Trillen 06-05-2007, 07:26 AM WIth my family hearing that you just better stay out of the way O_O AlohaLiilo 06-05-2007, 07:28 AM Aww i forgot about the MASSIVE line that things gonna have! At least it's a short sprint and shove from the monorail station! NaviMap 06-08-2007, 08:31 PM I was so happy that there was a soft opening (since I didn't win the opportunity drawing to ride it earlier). After waiting 55 minutes, I got to go on the ride and to me, it definitely lives up to the hype!! For those not liking small, cramped, and complete darkness, you may find yourself uncomfortable at times. The story telling starts out slow but later there were scenes where I felt the sub rushed through them so I couldn't absorb the surroundings. Sound system is excellent and the soundtrack is well suited for the ride. Overall, it is a ride worth those longer waits & lines that will stretch and wind their way as far as the It's a Small World corridor (the line I waited in didn't go that far but they've already set up the winding queue areas along Autopia, Matterhorn, and the former Motor Boat Cruise dock). Be advised to wear sunblock and a hat/visor, some areas along the queue don't have shade and don't have any breezes passing by which makes these areas into somewhat uncomfortable hat traps. Riding it so made my day :D Neoteny 06-08-2007, 11:37 PM Sounds great, but I think I'll wait until a little later in the summer. Not that I expect the crowd to die down much at all this year. PrincessKala 06-09-2007, 10:32 PM I rode this ride Yesterday (at a Soft opening) It was VERY Awesome! I really Liked it. Disneyland is expecting a VERY Long Line on Monday. So be prepared on Monday if you be waiting on Monday. It's worth it though! ~Carrie GreatGatsby 06-10-2007, 12:34 AM Also rode it, and I have a different opinion. While cute, not worth the wait. It's just the same story as the movie, but put in a combination of set pieces with projected animation, and a few nice effects thrown in. Definitely not worth a wait of over, say, 15 minutes. Anything longer and you might as well just watch the video again through a bowl of water with the lights off. KEBSD 06-10-2007, 03:28 PM Wow, Gatsby. I think that it just isn't your genre. I've read that kids will love it, and that it will be a Disneyland classic. I think that it also depends on where you sat, because I've heard that the ride is different every time you go unless you sit in the same spot every time. I'll be waiting the full 3 hours to go :D ~Key Neoteny 06-10-2007, 03:39 PM Also rode it, and I have a different opinion. While cute, not worth the wait. It's just the same story as the movie, but put in a combination of set pieces with projected animation, and a few nice effects thrown in. Definitely not worth a wait of over, say, 15 minutes. Anything longer and you might as well just watch the video again through a bowl of water with the lights off. I'm guessing you didn't like the Monsters, Inc. ride, either? What about Pinocchio's Daring Journey, Snow White's Scary Adventures, Peter Pan's Flight, Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, and all the other rides which are just retellings of their respective movies? What kinds of rides do you prefer? GreatGatsby 06-10-2007, 04:54 PM Wow, Gatsby. I think that it just isn't your genre.Pretty presumptive, and completely wrong. I have been a strong supporter of Pixar films from the start and, as a Disney shareholder, voiced my agreement of Disney buying the company.I think that it also depends on where you sat, because I've heard that the ride is different every time you go unless you sit in the same spot every time.Wrong again. I rode it more than once and in different places each time. There are occasional things you catch that you don't before, but that's true of just about every attraction.I'm guessing you didn't like the Monsters, Inc. ride, either?Not particularly, but not for the reasons you're guessing. Like the Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage, Monsters, Inc. is an attraction that was shoehorned into an existing container (in the latter case, the defunct Superstar Limo ride). In the case of Monsters, Inc., they repainted the cars, used the same track (and speed), and even the same room sizes in many cases. This cost them an outrageous $35 million, and we got a slow-moving retelling where the mouths don't even move. It has some cute effects, particularly the door sequence, but it's a paste-up job not up to Disney standards for an attraction that size and cost. What about Pinocchio's Daring Journey, Snow White's Scary Adventures, Peter Pan's Flight, Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, and all the other rides which are just retellings of their respective movies?I enjoy the Fantasyland attractions, but we're starting to get into an apples and oranges thing here, and here's the reason. First of all, these attractions were originally built and conceived before the advent of home video, so there was a reason to retell the story. Second, they were only in Fantasyland, and Walt did that for a reason. Animation is a fantasy world. Walt recognized this, which is why we went to live action for "Treasure Island," "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea," and other more reality-based adventures. Subsequently, his animated features stayed in Fantasyland, and the few films that were "suggested" by Disney films outside that land were not retellings in any way, nor were they based on animations. They were representations and allowed the guests to visit as they saw fit. Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse, Jungle Cruise, and the Matterhorn come to mind. Eisner changed this because he was a two-dimensional CEO. Suddenly, most attractions had to be based in movies (including non-Disney ones), many had to include cartoon characters and many more became retellings. In a time of home video, that's a thoughtless way to go. What's particularly troubling is the way all the Tomorrowland attractions need to have cartoon characters: Buzz Lightyear, Stitch's Escape, Monster's Laugh Floor, and now the Submarine Voyage. It honestly changes the whole reason for Tomorrowland and is as far from Walt Disney as you could possibly get. I could write a whole article about this, but if you want to look deeper into it, I suggest you read Kevin Yee's analysis. It pretty much hits the target. But back to your specific question about the Fantasyland rides versus this one. And this even includes Monsters, Inc. versus this one. The Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage relies some 75 - 85% on video animation. And you can definitely tell. The others you mention are at least Three Dimensional, and surround the guest with physically moving, interacting characters and objects. The original Submarine Voyage, although outdated and cheesy by the time it first closed, at least had that and the story was different. In the new sub ride, the effects are secondary support at best. They're cool but contribute little to the "story" of the attraction - which, in this case, is just the movie all over again . . . just less cohesive. It's more the reliance on flat video projections than anything else that led me to say rent Finding Nemo and watch it through a bowl of water.What kinds of rides do you prefer?Ones that contain original thinking. Ones that do not rely on an existing idea, on something I can go out and rent through Netflix, but instead reaches out and does something different and unique. Expedition Everest, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Carousel of Progress, Haunted Mansion, the original Pirates of the Carribean, ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter, Timekeeper, Country Bear Jamboree, Soarin' Over California, Matterhorn, Space Mountain, It's a Small World. I can even include the following: Indiana Jones and the Temple of the Forbidden Eye, Twilight Zone Tower of Terror, Star Tours. Each of these are not simple retellings, and if you think about it, the film connection contributes nothing to them. They would be just as fun if they were original characters/atmospheres and had the movie bits removed entirely. KEBSD 06-10-2007, 05:18 PM I thought I was the only one who read Kevin Yee's articles on here o_o Anyways, now I will come to the point of profits. If Disney makes rides on people's favorite movie characters, then more people will come to the Disney parks to see the characters on rides, giving a bigger profit. Just saying. Though you bring up many points, I am almost positive that to MANY children the Nemo ride will be a must-see every trip. ~Key GreatGatsby 06-10-2007, 05:40 PM Anyways, now I will come to the point of profits. If Disney makes rides on people's favorite movie characters, then more people will come to the Disney parks to see the characters on rides, giving a bigger profit. Two points to consider. First, this statement does not completely negate my post, as you yourself used the word "characters," not story, as is the greater concern I have. Had they thrown in the characters as a small part of a larger more original story, that might have worked. Second, the most popular attractions in Disneyland, and the ones that consistently top surveys, are Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain, The Matterhorn. With the exceptions of the Indy Ride, Peter Pan, and --I think-- Star Tours, none of the most popular attractions are film based and only Peter Pan is a consistently popular attraction that's animation based. The rest are all Disneyland originals. Even the Monsters, Inc. attraction, which for a short time boosted the DCA attendance numbers, is now a short-line ride. The novelty is gone, and it's the now same as a Fantasyland attraction. If Disney continues to focus, as suggested, on short-term fads instead of the enduring ideals Walt intended, it will lose in the long run. KEBSD 06-19-2007, 03:22 AM WOW. I disagree completely after riding today, Gatsby. I waited over three hours and it was worth the wait! A nice, long ride with phenominal special effects. I LOVED it. ~Key P.S. The Pirate's Lair was amazing too. manunderwater 06-19-2007, 03:55 AM I was able to ride the AP, and the soft opening, then riding it again yesterday, it is worth the wait, and I think its the best ride in Disneyland. Until Toy Story Mania, saw some concepts... :D astroacejaki 06-19-2007, 05:12 AM honestly i thought the ride was cute Not worth the 1 wait i mean its like the monsters inc ride the 45 minute waits its worth ridding once and thats it its perfect for little kids too:) i suggest riding it once GraspingClaw 06-19-2007, 05:31 AM Without going to the trouble of quoting it all, I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Gatsby is saying, and as he pointed out, this particular POV has been written about in expert detail on Al & Kevin's site. I won't say I strongly disliked Nemo, because I'm glad to have the subs back, I stood in line for 3 hours, and I made a specific trip from out of state just to be there for the grand opening; so there are some outside factors as to why I can't bring myself to actually say it wasn't worth it. However, I will say I was underwhelmed. When I read little hints about what this ride was shaping up to be, I continually heard about great effects that would wow the guest and make them want to hop back in line. That certainly wasn't my reaction. It's a nice relaxing dive, and especially welcome when you've been queuing in the sun for a couple of hours, but I was honestly disappointed with the decision to make the majority of the scenes simply consist of video clips. With the exception of a bouncing Dory and some dodgy "balloons", nothing really made me have a "wow" moment. And I find that very unfortunate when you're riding something for the first time. I really expected more from the ride, I expected it to have more unique and interactive elements, and I definitely expected the story to be more engaging. Granted I wasn't very familiar with the movie since I hadn't seen it since it was originally in theaters, but after going home and watching it again, the plot of the ride seemed even more mixed up and disorganized. If Nemo had thrilled me, and given me the kind of bang for your buck that I was hoping Lassetter could pull off, I would have been happy to forgive it being so out of place. I would have ignored the fact that it's yet another attraction based on another movie, and furthermore another Pixar movie, which lately seems to the be the only creative well they're drawing from. But if this is the direction we're headed in, I'm a little worried about the somewhat generic commercialization of Disneyland attractions. Where's somebody with the guts to conceptualize something original, give it the budget it deserves, and pack it with moments that we can't imagine not revisting on each of our subsequent trips? Oh right. May he rest in peace. Speedway Master 06-19-2007, 07:13 AM I really want to ride the submarine ride, even if some parts are just like the ones from the epcot nemo ride. But by the time I get there, the lines will probably regular. Schmoofy 06-19-2007, 04:04 PM I won't have a chance to ride it this year, much to my disappointment. :( Anyway, I've been reading on some sites, as well as watching POVs of the Voyage, and have some questions for the people who have ridden it so far. 1. In an insider clip I've seen, an imagineer points out that in the final scene, where the sea monster used to be, there is now evidence that it used to be there. Any idea/pictures of what this evidence is? 2. Are night voyages being allowed? I expect it to look amazing at night, the lagoon part that is. 3. I really didn't see much physical set while watching the POVs, but something that caught my eye was the "explosion" of one of the mines. Did it shake the submarine violently? I'm really curious about this part of the ride. KEBSD 06-19-2007, 04:11 PM 1. The Captain says "We better get to the dock before we run into any serpents or mermaids!" ...Or something along those lines. 2. Yes, there are night voyages. 3. The subs do not shake very violently, I'd call it Indiana Jones ride shaking divided by two or three. xD ~Key manunderwater 06-19-2007, 04:57 PM I won't have a chance to ride it this year, much to my disappointment. :( Anyway, I've been reading on some sites, as well as watching POVs of the Voyage, and have some questions for the people who have ridden it so far. 1. In an insider clip I've seen, an imagineer points out that in the final scene, where the sea monster used to be, there is now evidence that it used to be there. Any idea/pictures of what this evidence is? 2. Are night voyages being allowed? I expect it to look amazing at night, the lagoon part that is. 3. I really didn't see much physical set while watching the POVs, but something that caught my eye was the "explosion" of one of the mines. Did it shake the submarine violently? I'm really curious about this part of the ride. 1. There is a sea serpent resembled from the coral. And also what KEBSD said. 2. Yes, the place is aloud at night, and the people in line after closing will get to wait an extra 2 and a half hours after closing. 3. No, not violently, but it was kinda rough. Schmoofy 06-19-2007, 05:07 PM 1. The Captain says "We better get to the dock before we run into any serpents or mermaids!" ...Or something along those lines. 2. Yes, there are night voyages. 3. The subs do not shake very violently, I'd call it Indiana Jones ride shaking divided by two or three. xD ~Key 1. There is a sea serpent resembled from the coral. And also what KEBSD said. 2. Yes, the place is aloud at night, and the people in line after closing will get to wait an extra 2 and a half hours after closing. 3. No, not violently, but it was kinda rough. Thanks for the replies. After looking through a another PTR I just found... http://i19.************/4rac9k6.jpg An extra two hours after closing? That's an experience in itself. I imagined it would be kind of rough considering you're not facing forward, but rather to the sides of the submarine. I like how they kept things from the old ride, such as the giant clams and sea bass, as well as different lines used before. thundermtkid 06-19-2007, 05:14 PM I just rode the submarines yesterday during my trip to Disneyland. I waited two and a half hours to get on it but I had the activity guide to occupy me. (Also, it was fun just watching the subs go around the lagoon). I was really impressed by this ride. I only remember riding it once when I was little but this ride truly brought lost memories back to me. The projections were really neat and I was amazed at how close some scenery came to the subs! When I got off the ride I was satisfied and happy with the ride and I will definately go on it lots more in the near future! Everyone should have the chace to ride this amazing ride! :) manunderwater 06-19-2007, 05:15 PM notice that those guides they gave us were from VMK thundermtkid 06-19-2007, 05:17 PM Yup! I first thought it was a quest that was meant to be given out when the kiosk was still there (R.I.P. VMK Central) but then I realized it was just an advertisement for the Nemo online game! manunderwater 06-19-2007, 05:18 PM the finding section stumped me for quite a while TheMoth 06-19-2007, 05:48 PM Yeah i waited for 3 to 3.5 hours and it was great reliving the subs. I was very surprised by the dialogue. It has a lot of nods to the past subs along with the bells and the whistle sounds. I thougth it was a pretty good ride. GraspingClaw 06-20-2007, 01:39 PM Yeah i waited for 3 to 3.5 hours and it was great reliving the subs. I was very surprised by the dialogue. It has a lot of nods to the past subs along with the bells and the whistle sounds. I thougth it was a pretty good ride. Yeah, I did appreciate the fact that they took the following line from the original Voyage, word for word: "The fish world has always been considered a silent habitat. But now, thanks to remarkable advances in marine technology, we can now use instruments, such as our sonar hydrophones, to actually hear the fish talk." But then, they'd be completely stupid not to use such an obvious tie-in. Starz 07-02-2007, 08:40 PM i missed the opening by a week so i have to wait until the fall till i go back :-( but maybe the wait will be less :-) Neoteny 07-02-2007, 09:10 PM So, are they giving out the VMK cards yet (not just the quests; I mean the codes)? Jacques 07-03-2007, 02:37 AM Not as of Friday. Might be heading back soon to check. TikiRoom 07-07-2007, 03:39 AM I did like it. It was pretty cool, but not cool enough to wait in a 2 hour line. Luckily, we were on the first or second sub. Go on a day that does not have early entry (Wed. and Sun.) If you don't, you will be waiting 2 hours, at least. Neoteny 07-13-2007, 05:47 AM Ok, I finally got to ride this new attraction. What a disappointment! I liked the physical and mechanical effects, but the animation and script were terrible. At least I won't have to wait in line to ride it again, because I won't want to ride it again. The Nemo aspect of the ride truly spoiled the experience for me. Disneyland has taken a classic ride and replaced the fun, pseudo-scientific narration with "Where's Nemo? Where's Nemo?" Bring back the old version! The best thing Nemo added to the attraction is the seagulls ("Mine! Mine!), and you don't even have to wait in line to see those. SuperBillyHill 07-13-2007, 06:18 AM Wow, that's too bad you didn't like it. I thought it was pretty cool. But I never rode the old subs so idk if I'd like those better or not. We waited until late to ride so we only waited about 45 minutes one time and a little bit less the last time. And the last time we rode we were the very last peeps in line because we got in line right when the park was closing. So a CM followed us all the way in line so that nobody else could get in line. We got to talk to her about the ride and stuff and she was really nice. Then when we got to the last part of the line where you line up to enter a certain sub there were only 5 other peeps on our sub with us so we had a lot of room and we left a empty seat in between all of us. And we also rode the left side one time and the right side the other time. I think the right side is better because you can see more stuff farther out in the lagoon part. But the inside the caves part is the same on both sides. The only part I didn't really like that much was the end because it was like they never really finished the story. It was kinda like.. Ok, here's nemo and other characters and then a whale and a volcano and all that, and then it's just kinda over with no end and no - happily ever after - or whatever. So I think it's a nice ride and the effects are cool and all. I would wait in a line that's maybe a little less than a hour, but I wouldn't wait longer than that for it. |