Several terrific Community Leaders have been banned today for innocently substituting words for numbers or other words. While I understand VMK does not want this to happen, I also find it nearly impossible to trade or to help other people efficiently without occasionally using these substitutions. Clearly the VMK staff feel the same way since I have seen them use numbers and word substitutions on more occasions than I can count. However, today the hypocrisy of this has reached a new level that they are banning CL's and stripping their titles without warning for a first offense. If they wanted to start cracking down on CL's, they could have at least figured out a way to communicate this to all CL's ahead of time...something along the lines of, "Yes, we know you have all seen staff use substitutions for numbers and words that aren't in the dictionary, but this is wrong and we are going to start enforcing these rules on everyone" would have been a good start. Sadly, this is not the case.

In light of what is happening, I am voluntarily resigning my Community Leader title, effective immediately (if they will let me). I am not trying to protest anything...instead, I am just resigned to the fact that I will eventually be banned and lose my title anyway for trying to help someone else ("there are too mickeys here" / "the next event begins this weak end" etc.), and I'd rather opt out of the program on my own terms rather than on VMK's terms that I no longer completely agree with.

Some of you may agree with me and decide to do the same, but that is not my intention either and I certainly hope you don't feel pressured by me. I have thought about it and just determined this is the right course of action for me, and I feel better already. Also, I can't wait to get my old name back. ;)

just do what ever is best for you :)

Several terrific Community Leaders have been banned today for innocently substituting words for numbers or other words. While I understand VMK does not want this to happen, I also find it nearly impossible to trade or to help other people efficiently without occasionally using these substitutions. Clearly the VMK staff feel the same way since I have seen them use numbers and word substitutions on more occasions than I can count. However, today the hypocrisy of this has reached a new level that they are banning CL's and stripping their titles without warning for a first offense. If they wanted to start cracking down on CL's, they could have at least figured out a way to communicate this to all CL's ahead of time...something along the lines of, "Yes, we know you have all seen staff use substitutions for numbers and words that aren't in the dictionary, but this is wrong and we are going to start enforcing these rules on everyone" would have been a good start. Sadly, this is not the case.

In light of what is happening, I am voluntarily resigning my Community Leader title, effective immediately (if they will let me). I am not trying to protest anything...instead, I am just resigned to the fact that I will eventually be banned and lose my title anyway for trying to help someone else ("there are too mickeys here" / "the next event begins this weak end" etc.), and I'd rather opt out of the program on my own terms rather than on VMK's terms that I no longer completely agree with.

Some of you may agree with me and decide to do the same, but that is not my intention either and I certainly hope you don't feel pressured by me. I have thought about it and just determined this is the right course of action for me, and I feel better already. Also, I can't wait to get my old name back. ;)
are you saying you don't want to be a CL_?!?

That is a good choice of yours, although you were a great CL. Sorry to hear, but I do agree, VMK staff need to take it down a notch. In my room, I said to MYSELF " Why can't we say ' hive ' ? " and then i got a message from a vmk staff. It is annoying and excuse my language but I think it is hipacriticle. (sp?)

That is a good choice of yours, although you were a great CL. Sorry to hear, but I do agree, VMK staff need to take it down a notch. In my room, I said to MYSELF " Why can't we say ' hive ' ? " and then i got a message from a vmk staff. It is annoying and excuse my language but I think it is hipacriticle. (sp?)



you go girl!

LOL thanks

LOL np ;) i like that cat LOL

Mr.Geinie, I totaly agree with you are doing! I just wish I had enough guts.. I'm sorry, I'd love to help you, I really want to, but I like being a CL_. You Go, good protest

Good idea MrGenie. After all the mess I had to go through with after my ban, this is the first day that I don't want to be a CL anymore. It's not fun anymore and we can't be helpful to new players when we can't say numbers or other word like "weak end".

I will miss you Mr.Mcgenie

i really want to be a community leader but i got band only 1 time bc someone lied i hope they will change the CL_ thing to only 1 or no bands :(

So basically MrGenie, you are going on Strike? WOOT GO YOU!

BTW: Here is what I sent into VMK, I also posted this in another thread.

Dear VMK Staff,
I am well aware of the rules and policys of VMK, and I clearly understand and abide by them. But today and during the past week, I have seen more and more wonderful Community Leaders lose their title for something totally ridiculous. Some for no reason they say. Now I know of a few Community Leaders feedBacking themselves or 'going on strike' because they do not like how the Community Leader program is being worked upon. I understand if there are new policies, but I just do not think this is fair for many great and helpful community leaders. Thankyou for taking time to read my letter, and listening to my concern. - CL_MissAmber

with as many staff members and yavn on this board, i am sure this will get their attention, although i am not a community leader [for some reason...] i stand with you and the others that have lost their title.

how are you supposed to do a trade for something? 'i need too of those for this on' or 'i will be back in hive' telling someone that they need to play music 'a hunt.red' times for a bonus, or beat pirates 'level thee tent times' sorry, i understand the need to keep kids safe, but if you allow me to trade, or if you make a multiple of something in a room [hidden mickeys] then we are going to need to say some numbers.

I will miss you Mr.McgenieThanks, but I'm not leaving the game. I'm only attempting to voluntarily leave the CL program (perhaps I'm the first?).

So basically MrGenie, you are going on Strike? WOOT GO YOU!No, I am not protesting or going on strike. I still love VMK, but we just happen to disagree on this matter and I'm doing what I need to do. Please don't turn this into a protest, or at least don't associate me with it if you do.

with as many staff members and yavn on this board, i am sure this will get their attention, although i am not a community leader [for some reason...] i stand with you and the others that have lost their title.

how are you supposed to do a trade for something? 'i need too of those for this on' or 'i will be back in hive' telling someone that they need to play music 'a hunt.red' times for a bonus, or beat pirates 'level thee tent times' sorry, i understand the need to keep kids safe, but if you allow me to trade, or if you make a multiple of something in a room [hidden mickeys] then we are going to need to say some numbers.


I totaly agree! I mean, this is so unfair, and now I'm nevruse to talk on VMK! Thanx alot to the person in charge of this, it helps VMK alot, NOT!!!!!

This also ruins many people's game rooms. Like in Falling Furniture, they would have to sa stuff like "l space" or "tee spaces". And what if you wanted to talk about a bee sting or something you got? You could be saying like " I got hurt by a be yesterday, I did not even see the be hive and i hit my head on it hanging from the tree". (Don't ask me why someone would be talking about that, but you get my point)

how are you supposed to do a trade for something? 'i need too of those for this on' or 'i will be back in hive' telling someone that they need to play music 'a hunt.red' times for a bonus, or beat pirates 'level thee tent times' sorry, i understand the need to keep kids safe, but if you allow me to trade, or if you make a multiple of something in a room [hidden mickeys] then we are going to need to say some numbers.

"Canned" responses made available to staff and CL's to answer common questions? Something for the developers to work on?

Ah, how Noble..I guess that's the right way to do it. If VMK loses all their Community Leaders because of all this banning they might lay off a bit..

Genie, I applaud you. I agree whole heartedly 110% with what you are doing. This recent rash of bans absolutely disgusts me. They are banning CL's for helping out. Whats next, banning players for clicking the NPC's?

Why are these bannings only going for CL's? I was in the room earlier when Fly was banned. Many people had said 'too for tee and lose' but Fly was the only one who got a ban for it. Then again, he was also the only CL who answered the players question.

"Canned" responses made available to staff and CL's to answer common questions? Something for the developers to work on?
Not sure about only Staff and CL's that get to use those words, I mean what about other people that are great at helping people, but they are not CL's or Staff? How could they help people without telling people what they need to know?

Mr.Genie, I'm sorry, but I think this has indeed turned into a protest, or something like that. I will leave you out of it like you asked.

Not sure about only Staff and CL's that get to use those words, I mean what about other people that are great at helping people, but they are not CL's or Staff? How could they help people without telling people what they need to know?

I was thinking in terms of enabling those that need to use numbers in a given context without burying people that don't (or won't) use it in an expanded dictionary system.

So if I said Hive then would that lower my chances of becoming a community leader?

So if I said Hive then would that lower my chances of becoming a community leader?

Hopefully not, especially because I was talking to Yavn yesterday and we were both using the number substitutions.

ok I don't think that they will either

Personaly rather than resigne I'd use my position as a CL and experienced player/customer of VMK to inform staff on aspects of the game they are not fully aware of due to there working most of VMK's open hours.

as for calling them hypocrits they are responsible for the game and they need to communicate much more freely than players even CL's so if they feel the need to use these words they should, as a CL you should ust respect the fact it's not right and not use them personaly.

So if I said Hive then would that lower my chances of becoming a community leader?

Deffanetly not! Before I became a community leader, I used substatutions left and right (all the time)! It's just when you become a community leader, they start to take action

I agree that it is absolutely rediculous about the recent bannings. I started to think that maybe because of having the CL title, they would be harder on CL's, but banning them without a warning or explanation? That's wrong. I hope that for you MrGenie, you find VMK much more enjoyable then helping out newer players and getting a "2 hour ban" message pop up, or even having to fear losing the title for helping. VMK staff should understand that in everday chat, numbers have to be used. Even if it is to protect VMK players, they have to be used to specify amounts. Basically what should be reported is "I'm # ears old..." Not "I want hive barrel chairs and tee crates." Oh well, good luck to ya, I hope this little mess about bannings and losing titles will be all sorted out (if at possible.)

There are times when using numbers is appropriate, such as telling how many hidden mickeys there are in a room, or telling people how many of something you want to trade. There are also times when using numbers are inappropriate, such as asking for phone numbers or ages, and that's when one should be banned. This recent bans of using numbers just for simple little things such as the mickeys and trades is ridiculous though. It's near impossible to tell people how many points they have to get in fireworks for a pin. How we are supposed to help each other?

The silly thing about the numbers and days and places ban is that there is no way to check against what is really being said. By that I mean, no one would know if you were even telling the truth or not. If I were asked my age I'd probably give a bogus answer cause it is none of their business. Or where I lived. Or even whether I'm a boy or girl. As Gary Larson said in a Far Side cartoon, "On the Internet no one knows you're a dog." You never really know who you are talking to. So how to solve this? One way is to have an active chat for the help button where you could report, "Guest#### is asking someone their age", or "Soandso is giving out an address". I don't know if the safety level would remain the same, but I'd like to be able to communicate more effectively.

But, MrGenie, I always admire someone who stands on their principals, and I applaud you for it.

I agree. I think the what was going on before was just fine. Staff use it, yavn and other testers use it, why can't community leaders use it?? if we could just go back to the way things were everything would be fine again.

I agree. I think the what was going on before was just fine. Staff use it, yavn and other testers use it, why can't community leaders use it?? if we could just go back to the way things were everything would be fine again.
Not only that, but players without CL badge use numbers. It's so common. CL's are REGULAR players, so shouldn't they get watched just like REGULAR players? Why are CL's watched by a hawk? VMK gave us the title because they can trust us to do the right things and be role models, why can't they keep trusting us so that we know not to use numbers for personal things? Blarg >_<

Not only that, but players without CL badge use numbers. It's so common. CL's are REGULAR players, so shouldn't they get watched just like REGULAR players? Why are CL's watched by a hawk? VMK gave us the title because they can trust us to do the right things and be role models, why can't they keep trusting us so that we know not to use numbers for personal things? Blarg >_<

Yeah. VMK should read the WHOLE story, not just bits and parts. This should ultamitly stop! excuse my spelling :)

Not only that, but players without CL badge use numbers. It's so common. CL's are REGULAR players, so shouldn't they get watched just like REGULAR players? Why are CL's watched by a hawk? VMK gave us the title because they can trust us to do the right things and be role models, why can't they keep trusting us so that we know not to use numbers for personal things? Blarg >_<
The only reason why I can say they (they meaning vmk staff) are watching
CL's like a hawk is because CL's are supposed to be giving an example. Although I think this recent thing about banning CL's for such a simple thing like saying "There are too hidden mickey's in this rom" is not right

MrGenie, I applaud what you are doing, if I was a CL I would do the same thing for the same reasons.

If CLs get no special privileges or are not elevated in status from other players, they should not be held to a higher standard than everyone else.

I was in a friend's room today and asked him how high the number generator goes to and if he could get "too" more rows for his game. He freaked out--he said don't say that, people are getting banned for using substitutions for numbers.

I want VMK to be a safe and happy place. I don't want to feel like I can't let my 7 and 8 year olds continue to play it. But, I do want to play too and enjoy myself! There are appropriate times to be using numbers which have already been outlined in this thread.

I add my applause and standing ovation for MrGenie on his decision to voluntarily resign his post. Originally, I wanted to be a CL--I thought I would be a good one because I love VMK, I'm a mom, and I like to help others. But, after awhile I decided not to apply. I don't want to feel like I'm under a microscope, that I'm being unfairly held to a higher standard, or that I can't enjoy VMK (all the while doing nothing that I feel--or according to VMK values--is wrong).

Again, as I have said elsewhere today about this issue. If they are changing the rules about using substitutions, like hive for five, they need to make EVERYONE aware of this. Certainly they need to warn people before banning them.

GR GR :mad:

My letter to VMK:

Good evening.

My name is Ranch, and I'd like to retract my application/request for the honor of being a Community Leader. Mainly for the same reasons as MrGenie has stated @ fan site, and I run "The Think You Know Disney Game" in which occasional number substitutions are needed to tell players how many points each player has. I'd love to apply again in the future for obvious reasons and enjoy VMK to the fullest, but again, please "rip up" my application until a comprimise has been met.

Thank you in advance, Ranch

I agree with MrGenie 100%. But I'm not sure if I should give up my CL title to reduce the risk of getting banned, but then again does this mean that they will eventually start hammering down on all the other players as well? And I really don't see why CLs are the targets, especially if everyone, even the VMK staff use the subsitutions as well, not to mention we're supposed to be trusted...

VMK staff or other people, I hope you are reading these threads and are having a meeting right now on what to do! We are obviusly very, very upset!!! Come on, can we stop the maddniss? (Excuse me for my spelling)

Wow, VMK has officially crossed the line of "protecting people" and at the risk of sounding redundent we all use numbers in the game "tee people left," "Final for." MrGenie, if you started a protest, don't be upset, VMK is taking things way too far. We need to be retricted to be protected, yes, but this must be under control, not out of control. They stopped us from telling phone numbers and such, which I encourage (reference boyfriend, girlfriend, stuff), but now they have to limit our conversation even further, to almost the point of silence? VMK You are taking things too far, way too far, Please let us have some freedom back in the game that we love. And make the community leaders feel like they are part of an organization that needs them and wants them to help other people, rather than disrespecting them and banning them at will. Thank you.

~dfreak1989

P.S. I will be writing to you, VMK. :reporter:

Good idea MrGenie. After all the mess I had to go through with after my ban, this is the first day that I don't want to be a CL anymore. It's not fun anymore and we can't be helpful to new players when we can't say numbers or other word like "weak end".

Are you not going to be a community leader anymore?

Maybe this could be seen as a strike? If it is, Go Genie! They never said one thing in the dictionary about these numbers not beong allowed. Maybe this can open their eyes

And, atleast allow numbers 1-5. I mean, I know of no one that is five that plays VMK.

It seems to me things are going like this..

Message to Staff: He called me ugly, stupid, really bad names, and some other stuff not allowed in the game!
Message From Staff: Please Ignore the person.

CL: I need 'hive' more crates...
Message from staff: BAN!

Maybe this could be seen as a strike? If it is, Go Genie! They never said one thing in the dictionary about these numbers not beong allowed. Maybe this can open their eyes

And, atleast allow numbers 1-5. I mean, I know of no one that is five that plays VMK.

It seems to me things are going like this..

Message to Staff: He called me ugly, stupid, really bad names, and some other stuff not allowed in the game!
Message From Staff: Please Ignore the person.

CL: I need 'hive' more crates...
Message from staff: BAN!

omg, I totaly agree with you. I just taked to yavn though. He will make a post shortly

Maybe this could be seen as a strike? If it is, Go Genie! They never said one thing in the dictionary about these numbers not beong allowed. Maybe this can open their eyes

And, atleast allow numbers 1-5. I mean, I know of no one that is five that plays VMK.

It seems to me things are going like this..

Message to Staff: He called me ugly, stupid, really bad names, and some other stuff not allowed in the game!
Message From Staff: Please Ignore the person.

CL: I need 'hive' more crates...
Message from staff: BAN!

Though this is a severely not funny matter, the last part of that made me laugh out loud. Everybody, please speak your mind to VMK, I have opened a thread where what you post in there will be passed on to VMK via me. Please add a note and sign the "Giant Letter to VMK!!!"

Well, if CL's can't substitute words BUT the regular players CAN...then they have just made all the other players much more helpful than those in the CL program!

I am all for "keeping it clean" - heck, I've got three kids who play VMK with me - but there are times that there is NO other way to offer help or express a thought without some substitutions.

Looks like this thread may start to look like an episode of "Chair He Spring Her." Which, by the way, I WAS allowed to say on VMK this morning. So nyah!

:Tongue:

It seems to me things are going like this..

Message to Staff: He called me ugly, stupid, really bad names, and some other stuff not allowed in the game!
Message From Staff: Please Ignore the person.

CL: I need 'hive' more crates...
Message from staff: BAN!

ROFL. :lachen70:

Even though I don't think this subject matter is amusing that made me laugh out loud.

you know what i think people?

vmk is still in beta

Why do you say that?

How can it still be in Beta?

ok, look, if you are still angry and upset, I have started a thread called Ok...Time to Cool Down... please post there about your anger

im not angry and i think vmk is still in beta because of so many flaws it has and it keeps messing us up with all of its problems like its not letting us have fun

i just want you to know it good that you dont want to get banned because my brother CL_flipperflipper was reported by someone for no reason the person was being jealous (his name is BlueZeroX if you want to help my brother by reporting him that would be great!) buts its true many community leaders are getting reported and stuff and getting banned thats why i dont want to become one! either ways i support your decision!

Well if I am banned from VMK for something as stupid as that than I might as well quit! I say numbers and week days. I will be banned from VMK 12 times in a week. I think you where a great CL Genie and I think what you are doing is a great idea.

thats it!

I get some of this now!

When someone reports someone else in vmk vmk doesnt actually know if they did it or not, they just say dont do it and vmk CL's can lose their title for doing absolutely nothing!

so if somebody is jealous they can strip them of their title easily

I got this just the other day (less than a week ago):

http://img.****************/albums/v44/robijill/weakforweek2.jpg

I don't know if he is still doing it or not, but the VMK staff themselves need to watch it if they are going to ban others.

Just today I was sitting next to my son while he was in Yavn's room watching the questions and answers. There was several CL_ that was substituting to for two, etc. Another CL_ spoke up and warned one. I hope the CL_ doing the substituting doesn't get banned also.

I will admit that while watching Yavn answer questions today, I didn't see him using the words the wrong way, but I still think they are wrong to be doing the banning when this pase weekend they were doing the same. They should have sent out warnings to all the CL_


****edited to post, this is MaliaMike. I didn't relize son was signed in when I posted this.

I got this just the other day (less than a week ago):

[I don't know if he is still doing it or not, but the VMK staff themselves need to watch it if they are going to ban others.

Just today I was sitting next to my son while he was in Yavn's room watching the questions and answers. There was several CL_ that was substituting to for two, etc. Another CL_ spoke up and warned one. I hope the CL_ doing the substituting doesn't get banned also.

I will admit that while watching Yavn answer questions today, I didn't see him using the words the wrong way, but I still think they are wrong to be doing the banning when this pase weekend they were doing the same. They should have sent out warnings to all the CL_

I talked to yavn about the substatuting, he said he would stop. You can thank me, lol, jk. But he said he would post about this when he gets of VMK.

Mr Genie

I do not post on this forum much anymore but I felt I needed to today.

I applaude your taking a stand and doing what you feel is right.

Something most people do not do much of these days. :luxhello:

Mal

I have just sent this letter into VMK, via the black hole.

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To whom it may concern,

I am writing this letter as a note to express my feelings of frustration over the banning of several VMK Community Leaders today. It is my understanding that some community leaders were banned for using allowed words to get around the VMK dictionary. For instance, one community leader was asked by a player how someone can get the Fireworks magic pin. The community leader in question responded that the player need to achieve a score of at least 240,000 points and come in second place by saying “too for tee house and points and not win.” I also understand that a new community leader was banned for saying hive as the number five when she was trying to work out a trade with someone.

I have several thoughts on this issue. First, I understand that is VMK’s intention that community leaders act as role models for other players. They are expected to be the best VMK players, and they are expected to follow all the rules. In this sense, a community leader who uses allowed words to bypass the VMK dictionary is not setting a good example, even though this is not expressly forbidden in the VMK values or user agreement. Consider this, however. VMK staff members are well known to use these dictionary by-pass phrases themselves. Yavn is known to have said to people that the next VMK event will happen in a few “weak.” All the staff with VMK in front of their names who I have seen have also used words such as for to replace numbers (“four”), etc. How can you expect CMs to set a good example if staff does not set a good example themselves? I find this to be a highly hypocritical stance. If it has been decided that these dictionary bypasses will no longer be tolerated, then why was this not communicated as a warning to all players, or at least all community leaders? Have you decided to pick on a few people in order to set an example to everyone else?

Another thought: numbers are an integral component to the English language. We use them all the time in every day speech. There are many subjects in VMK that are very difficult to discuss without the use of numbers. It was my belief that community leaders were meant to answer questions about the game. Here are a few examples of questions that cannot be answer by community leaders if the bypass guidelines are enforced, followed by the answers CLs can be expected to give if not using the bypass phrases.
What time does VMK close? Later on.
When is the event? Sometime soon.
What time does the judging for the event begin? In a bit.
How many credits do you get for playing pirates? Not enough.
How many times do I have to play pirates to win the Invisibility pin? A bunch.
How many barrel chairs will you give me for this set of ears? Uh… some.
Ridiculous, right? After all, the point of a community leader is to provide answers to other players. Maybe you should instruct all CLs to answer like this: I cannot tell you. Use the help button to ask a cast member.” Or “Go find out on the VMK home page: I can’t say what the home page is, but it is the page you were on when you log into VMK.”

The point of my letter is this: it seems that there are some major inconsistencies going on in the VMK hierarchy. Some of you allow dictionary bypass phrases, and use them yourselves while others send warnings to people using them or ban people for using them without warning. Some of you desire community leaders to assist with the answering of questions while others seem to want to severely curtail the information that can be communicated to VMK players. This does not lend itself to an ideal gaming experience. It is frustrating and confusing, to say the least. If an adult such as myself feels this way, imagine how the kids who play the game feel. Please remember, many of the community leaders you have chosen are young themselves (that much is patently obvious). My advice: whatever you decide to enact on this matter, please make sure it is clearly communicated to VMK staff, community leaders and players. This way everyone will have a fair chance to follow the rules and a good idea of the consequences of breaking them.

Thank you for your time. I do hope you will consider my ideas, and those of the others I know have written to you about this. VMK is a great game environment, one that I care about. It would be a shame if things continue the way they are. If they do, I am sure many players will decide to move on, and many great members of the VMK community (leaders or not) will be lost. I am already aware of one community leader who has asked to resign the position in response to these events.

Sincerely,
shiregirl

that had better work shiregirl that was a great letter

nice one shiregirl!

i think this getting band over using substitutions is going to get fixed because of all the letters we are sending to vmk :CastMem:

This is out of hand they need to loosen up I have been accident band and do you now believe such a thing exits non believers? lol this is horrible...

this is what im starting to think. in shiregirl's letter it says a cl got banned for saying "hive." well i said hive and for and i didn't get banned. i only got a pop up that said don't substitute for other words and stuff like that. im starting to think cls get more attention. (sorry if this doesn't have to do with genie's post)

go genie! wow i thought someone would never say what u said!

I am 100% with the Genie on this one. Way to much!

I have just sent this letter into VMK, via the black hole.Bravo, shiregirl. I cannot imagine a more persuasive summing up of the situation than that!

Stuff like this is part of the reason why I've never wanted to become a community leader in the first place. Just tonight, I was at the contact us page; Initially it was to submit a few more words to the dictionary which I think are far more helpful than harmful (e.g. trivia, word, & hard). However, soon after I finished doing that, I once again found myself clicking on the enroll to become a community leader page. But after a few minutes of pondering what I might say (again) as to why I wish to become a community leader, I came to the realization (again) that I don't want the title or the responsibility.

If I wish to help people within the VMK world (which I have), I'll do it on my own terms without someone watching over my shoulder. Let's not forget that Disney does keep very tight reigns on their cast members behavior in-park, so don't be too shocked when they do the same and people suffer the consequences of that "big brother" effect in the virtual kingdom (i.e. banning and stipping of titles).

Honestly, I think I was only drawn to being a community leader in the first place because you get that neat little icon in your signature box. I almost got drawn into the VIP icon craze (e-Bay has everything!), but had a similar realization that I'm just happy being me, no special status, and more importantly, nobody watching to see me slip up every now and then.

Just my 2 cents on this topic...

:goofy:

Just out of consideration, doesn't VMK Staff also sustitue words? I have seen people even Yavn do it before. So a little strange. Because of this i do not think it is fare to band people because of this. And I am sorry MrGenie to about resigning. But now VMK is getting a little riduclues with to, I, and ect.

Just out of consideration, doesn't VMK Staff also sustitue words? I have seen people even Yavn do it before. So a little strange. Because of this i do not think it is fare to band people because of this. And I am sorry MrGenie to about resigning. But now VMK is getting a little riduclues with to, I, and ect.

Yes, VMK staff were using substitute words as well, but this is a rule that Disney is enforcing very strictly, And apparently it went into effect today. Meaning Yavn is not head hauncho, when it comes to rules, because if he substitutes he gets in trouble as well, its something that should have been enforced and not even leasured like it was, I think it was a bad time to begin enforcing but this time its not VMK but Disney.


Honestly, I think I was only drawn to being a community leader in the first place because you get that neat little icon in your signature box. I almost got drawn into the VIP icon craze (e-Bay has everything!), but had a similar realization that I'm just happy being me, no special status, and more importantly, nobody watching to see me slip up every now and then.



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I Agree with this, more then ever. Being you is all anyone can ask for, and why want to be anything more. Great words, ForeverGoofy.

WOW this means my brother won't be able to be a CL!!!

Hopefully not, especially because I was talking to Yavn yesterday and we were both using the number substitutions.

you were talking to yavn why did you talk to him

I might as well get used to typing "I can't tell you or else they won't let me play VMK anymore." whenever someone asks me how I got Fireworks Magic.

Just one more reason to have speed chat, I guess.

I am proud of you Genie! I didn't quite follow you when you told me about changing your name in the Hawkeyefan's pirate ship room today, but now I completely understand! I hope this matter is resolved soon. I respect you even more (if that was even possible) for standing up on this matter and hope it causes a change. Hopefully they will work things out for the better and maybe you will consider re-becoming (if thats a word) a Community Leader, because I think you were one of the best! It's a sad, sad thing VMK is losing you as a Community Leader, they better figure this one out fast!

if you get banned how long do you get banned for

if you get banned how long do you get banned for


It all depends on what you were banned for.

if you get banned how long do you get banned for

you could be banned forever of maybe two hours all depends on what you did and how many times you did it

It will be hard to think of you as not being a leader, but I understand why you're doing it. I would consider it too if I was a leader. Maybe by the time I (possibly) am one, they will fix it. I can only hope though.

if you get banned how long do you get banned for

Some 2 hours, others 10 years. There is also the possibility of never playing on your character again! Some bans make it so you can't make another character on a certain computer.

Paris

It will be hard to think of you as not being a leader, but I understand why you're doing it. I would consider it too if I was a leader. Maybe by the time I (possibly) am one, they will fix it. I can only hope though.For what it's worth, I haven't changed anything about my behavior since becoming a CL, and I don't think they expect you to...the reason they make people CL's in the first place is because hopefully you were already a good role model. Also, I don't intend to change anything about my behavior after losing the title (if my request ever gets through the black hole). So, you can still think of me as a leader if you want. ;)

MrGenie, I respect you for your noble decision. http://www.vmkforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

What is happening is unfair, and the fact that they'd take this out on their community leaders first and foremost is even more ludicrous. I cannot believe something like this would be happening. I am starting to lose hope in the VMK franchise with recent happenings there, and I do not wish to see all the morals of it turned into a hypocritical, Nineteen-Eighty-Fourish place.

While I am very angered at the situation, I am confused as to whether I should boycott VMK or not.

I was just thinking it was like 1984. I despise that book. I still hold a grudge for the English teacher who made me read it. There were plenty of other reasons to hold a grudge against him though. I'm going off-topic aren't I? Back to the subject, VMK Staff is watching you .

I didn't like the book either. I was reading it on my own, not for any class. It was just pretty boring.

Decided to post this message in a new thread.

Mr.Genie your doing a good thing. ( i'm going to be afraid of talking around vmk staff now )

i also think you are doing a good thing.

right now if i was a CL i would resign as well. not only due to the unjust things that have been going on but due to my own views of hypocracy and such in the vmk heirarchy.

Before you guys continue jumping on the "quit" bandwagon, please read this thread:

http://www.vmkforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7430

Some of you may agree with me and decide to do the same, but that is not my intention either and I certainly hope you don't feel pressured by me. I have thought about it and just determined this is the right course of action for me, and I feel better already. Also, I can't wait to get my old name back. ;)Before you guys continue jumping on the "quit" bandwagon, please read this thread:

http://www.vmkforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7430I just want to reiterate for the umpteenth time that it was not my intention to turn this into a bandwagon...anticipating what would happen here, I was extra careful to point this out in my original post. I am glad that there is some sort of review process for bans and that the decisions of an over-zealous VMK moderator have been overturned, but nothing has happened to make me change my mind about opting out of the CL program. The fact remains that VMK is sending a lot of confusing messages about what should and should not be said in the game, and inconsistently enforcing their rules. Some of this is natural since a lot of the VMK staff operate largely independently from one another. Regardless, I refuse to run around in the game worrying if I am going to suddenly lose my CL title at any second for trying to help someone out...especially when VMK staff continue to do the things that they are banning other people for.

One way or another, VMK needs to figure out a way to give their staff specific guidelines on what is and is not allowed in the game, communicate these rules clearly to everyone, and enforce these rules consistently at all times. I am a big supporter of the VMK House Rules and Values; indeed, I quote them all the time. And I have been fortunate that VMK has never cracked down on me to date for using substitutions for numbers and words in an attempt to help others or just carry on a harmless, normal conversation. To whatever extent they are going to more proactively enforce a ban on word substitutions, I will try to play by their rules. However, that means I don't feel I can be an adequate CL anymore and I refuse to go through the frustrations of finding other ways to answer questions that can only have a numeric or chronological answer. If they expect CLs to provide help to others, they should give them an adequate vocabulary for doing so.

I wish VMK would lay off I got banned for saying sorry to someone ( Alexcia was talking trash so we! got banned for a day then after that her friend came and said she died in a car accident then she comes in and says u fell for it then I said I was sorry then she reportaed me and we!! again got band for a whole ##$% %#@$ week!) Sorry about that.

1. Don't bump up old threads.
2. What...?

Fight the power. :woohoo:

Several terrific Community Leaders have been banned today for innocently substituting words for numbers or other words. While I understand VMK does not want this to happen, I also find it nearly impossible to trade or to help other people efficiently without occasionally using these substitutions. Clearly the VMK staff feel the same way since I have seen them use numbers and word substitutions on more occasions than I can count. However, today the hypocrisy of this has reached a new level that they are banning CL's and stripping their titles without warning for a first offense. If they wanted to start cracking down on CL's, they could have at least figured out a way to communicate this to all CL's ahead of time...something along the lines of, "Yes, we know you have all seen staff use substitutions for numbers and words that aren't in the dictionary, but this is wrong and we are going to start enforcing these rules on everyone" would have been a good start. Sadly, this is not the case.

In light of what is happening, I am voluntarily resigning my Community Leader title, effective immediately (if they will let me). I am not trying to protest anything...instead, I am just resigned to the fact that I will eventually be banned and lose my title anyway for trying to help someone else ("there are too mickeys here" / "the next event begins this weak end" etc.), and I'd rather opt out of the program on my own terms rather than on VMK's terms that I no longer completely agree with.

Some of you may agree with me and decide to do the same, but that is not my intention either and I certainly hope you don't feel pressured by me. I have thought about it and just determined this is the right course of action for me, and I feel better already. Also, I can't wait to get my old name back. ;)


you will still be same old genie without the CL titile, i agree, some of my friends are not CL's anymore

I completly support these decisions that ppl are making. I know ppl who are dropping there cl title left and right due to unfair things. They substitute we substitute and I dont see why you shouldnt be allowed to on certain things. Just like banning the word pin kk I know ppl have now been saying flamingo and such and I like it but, what can u do about this right now? I hope so much some compromises are made soon :)

See what happens when someone bumps a 3 month old thread?

People, MrGenie is NOT resigning anymore.

ya and if they keep banning CL's and taking that from them then there will be no more community leaders left and it is practically impossible to trade with out using capitaly i and too and the rest of the substitutions

...Read the date when Genie posted this who says he is still quitting, I mean he is still a CL now isn't he unless i am missing something here??

I respect your decision Mr.Genie :)

wait a minute! i remember this thread like a couple months or so ago. also, is MrGenie still a cl?

wait a minute! i remember this thread like a couple months or so ago. also, is MrGenie still a cl?

Yes, this thread IS from several months ago, and Yes, MrGenie is still a CL, lol

Mr. Genie -
Great choice. I agree with you! I have seen staffers get around the dictionary too! Why can't they amend the dictionary and allow certain words? It really is so silly! You have been a great asset to all of us on VMK (inside the game and out) :-) Thank you for all you have done! We'll still see you in the Forum, right? I am sure around the game too! You Rock!! People should get on your train it's a good one!

I wasn't going to be the one to bump this old thread, but since it's been bumped I should make some additional comments. For an update of what has happened in the past two months since I started this thread, please see this post (http://www.vmkforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=197283#post197283). :)

I agree with you MrGenie. As much as I want ti be a CL I will aplly and will keep doing that but my account got frozen for a month for saying gr! and saying nASCAR when people don't even get banned (my friends say it all the time they never are banned) saying beach, stool (school) and saying there age. Of course if I get banned one more time I will be banned for ten years -_- Staff are complete hypocrites. But VMK_Annie rox. (i said why on some thread look my posts up):mad:

did they let you drop out?

That is weird because sometimes that is how you get room codes in trades. :(