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smrtfriendship
06-21-2006, 03:59 AM
I just thought of an idea and I went to get all your opinions about it.

Remember parks like Knott's and Six Flags also have a water park to go with the park? (Soak City USA and Hurricane Harbor)

What about the Disneyland Resort in California? No water park?

So I just thought, why not have a water park also? You know, complete with water slides, kid's areas, all the components of a regular water park. Perhaps pools like a Pirate ship swimming pool like the Disneyland Resort?

Post your opinions here!

PrincessKala
06-21-2006, 04:40 AM
Great Idea! That would Be awesome! During a Hot day, Go to one of those and splash around and get wet! Wow that would be great. lol And fun. Great Idea Again!
~CarrieWannaBe

Miguzi.Man
06-21-2006, 04:46 AM
Guess what? Disneyland owns many plots of land all around Disneyland, and a few years ago, the dream of Disney Seas almost became a reality. There is a small plot of Disney owned land that was being thought of, in the idea stage, to become a Disneyland Water Park. Since that time, no further plans have been made, and the land still remains just as a field of dirt and bushes

dogsdogs
06-21-2006, 04:51 AM
-.- disney and its choces
Well if they make a water park what will happen to DCA?
even lower attendance?
They originally planed to make Westcot put idk what happened to that idea.
And i even herd rumers about a water park, but instead they build DCA
I think that may be a rason they havent done any thing blalbalba

NaviMap
06-21-2006, 04:54 AM
The original Wescot plans at one time did include a water park, but these plans have long been scrapped and replaced by ... Disney's California Adventure Park.

Basically, the water park plans are and have been scrapped for a long time now.

Channyman
06-21-2006, 05:08 AM
that is a great idea! but imagion how much it would cost to get into the park then! it would be over 100 dollars just to get in for a day! i dont know about you but i think that is to much!

Sia
06-21-2006, 05:08 AM
That's Cool! I went there in November last year and it was normal weather. But it would be great in the summer time! Well except when there are so many people.. lol :)

Miguzi.Man
06-21-2006, 05:17 AM
that is a great idea! but imagion how much it would cost to get into the park then! it would be over 100 dollars just to get in for a day! i dont know about you but i think that is to much!
Though that would seem like disney, I would bet that it would only cost eh 55 dollars a person per day.

stevieam
06-21-2006, 05:18 AM
There have been many rumors about building a waterpark on the site of the strawberry field on harbor. I am trying to see if i can find any additional info on it at my usual haunts but my computer is acting up and it is time for bed. i"ll try to find something tomorrow.

this is the best I could find for tonight and it mentions a waterpark, but more like it is not going to happen cause the city of anaheim has new plans for the land disney just bought. We can dream that maybe they can come up with a new plan...

Most importantly, the project severely limits what Disney can do with the strawberry field. Then again, for today's risk-adverse Disney Company, maybe that's not such a bad thing. The company has been working unsuccessfully for five years to get Disney's California Adventure to stand on its own—a prerequisite before it can proceed with a third theme park. If Anaheim “takes away” the middle of strawberry field, Disney can “resign itself” to building a safer, tamer project—a water park, a themed hotel, or maybe some Disney Vacation Club timeshare units.

Where i found the article
http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=mt051006dk

Neoteny
06-21-2006, 05:29 AM
The two Disney water parks at Walt Disney World are great. It would be nice to have something like those as part of the Disneyland Resort in California.

My only complaint about the WDW water parks is that they are lacking the Disney touch. There are no Disney-themed attractions there. The attractions are fun, but why are they not tied in with the Disney movies? The Little Mermaid, Atlantis, 20,000 Leagues under the Sea, Finding Nemo, Lilo and Stitch, and even Fantasia could all provide water-themed tie-ins.

Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach don't even have Disney characters in them! They feel like they couls be any old company's water parks, not Disney properties.

Still, they're a lot of fun.

NaviMap
06-21-2006, 08:59 AM
The waterpark plans have long been dead (let it rest in peace, there's no waterpark plans by Disney) and the ones that have come up almost a decade ago did not mark the starwberry field property (which they didn't own at that time) on the SE corner Katella & Harbor as a waterpark. Those waterpark plans hardly went anywhere and went dead with Wescot plans.

As of now, Disney has no current plans for that property (besides the 3rd theme park plans which are now shelved) nor have they responded to that Summer 2005 Grand Parkway Plan/vison presented to the City of Anaheim. The parkway plans are still just a vision. No official EIR or proposals have been presented for approval by the city concerning the Disney Property and the city of Anaheim doesn't seem to desire to pick a fight with Disney over the property.

I don't believe a waterpark is a great idea at this time. The Disneyland should continue to focus its resources on improving California Adventure (as it has been doing) before ever considering any major expansion plans. It may be more difficult to attract people to a waterpark here with 3 major waterparks already existing in the region and with the beaches (Surf City and Newport to name a few) just a short drive away.

Xucid
06-21-2006, 02:01 PM
that is the only hard part. i mean in DLR area they do own land, by not nearly as much as they do in the WDW area.

Neoteny
06-21-2006, 02:04 PM
that is the only hard part. i mean in DLR area they do own land, by not nearly as much as they do in the WDW area.
Yes. This really hurts, not only in the theme park area, but also in the accommodations. My family loves staying on Walt Disney World property, but the Disneyland Resort only has three hotels, and none of them affordable.

Adventurebry
06-21-2006, 02:07 PM
My only complaint about the WDW water parks is that they are lacking the Disney touch. There are no Disney-themed attractions there.

Still, they're a lot of fun.

THere are not, but there is hidden mickeys along the way to remind you that you are in the happeist place on earth =).

Neoteny
06-21-2006, 02:11 PM
THere are not, but there is hidden mickeys along the way to remind you that you are in the happeist place on earth =).
But why not actual Disney-themed attractions? Or at least the Disney characters in beach attire or something.

Oranges
06-21-2006, 02:39 PM
But why not actual Disney-themed attractions? Or at least the Disney characters in beach attire or something.

Actually, there are. Once or twice I've seen Goofy walking around in Lifeguard attire when right when park opens. I've also seen Minnie in beachwear during park-opening also. They also leave their signatures on the path before you get to Lottawatta Lodge.

However, you are right about their lack of Disney-themed attractions.

Neoteny
06-21-2006, 02:46 PM
Oh, I've never seen the characters, even. Guess I just haven't been looking in the right places at the right times.

Still, they could make the water parks seem more Disneylike.

("Disneyesque"? "Disneyish"? "Disneyous"? "Disnified"? "Disnical"? "Disney-riffic"?)

But what the heck, they're still great water parks.

Tifa1992
06-21-2006, 03:21 PM
Omgg! Unbeliveable. My friend and I were thnking the same thing. Like... donald duck's wave pool and stuff.

But, I guess we weren't the only ones! ;)

GreatGatsby
06-21-2006, 06:10 PM
Let me quote Bob Iger, CEO of the Walt Disney Company, at the last shareholder's meeting. This was in response to a question about whether Disney would open a third "gate" in Anaheim (meaning a third park).

"We won't be considering a third gate until we make the second gate successful."

That means Disney will not open another park near Disneyland until they are able to make California Adventure a hit and not the failure it's been. That's about as official as you can get.

They had been discussing the possibility of a water park, but you're going to have to wait a long long time.

Neoteny
06-21-2006, 06:15 PM
Let me quote Bob Iger, CEO of the Walt Disney Company, at the last shareholder's meeting. This was in response to a question about whether Disney would open a third "gate" in Anaheim (meaning a third park).

"We won't be considering a third gate until we make the second gate successful."

That means Disney will not open another park near Disneyland until they are able to make California Adventure a hit and not the failure it's been. That's about as official as you can get.

They had been discussing the possibility of a water park, but you're going to have to wait a long long time.

Disney's California Adventure was just a bad idea to begin with. Who needs to go to Anaheim to see a representation of Hollywood, when the real one's just up the 101?

KEBSD
06-21-2006, 08:40 PM
Disney's California Adventure was just a bad idea to begin with. Who needs to go to Anaheim to see a representation of Hollywood, when the real one's just up the 101?
I would! Some people have different opinions. I think DCA is a great place, and signifies how California is great. If they did not build DCA, there would not be the hit, "Soarin' Over California", or an also popular "California Screamin'". I think they did a great job with bringing the magic there. And remember, there are TONS of plans for it, such as renovating the entrance, renovation Condor Flats, and replacing "Golden Dreams" to a smaller theater to where the big sun fountain is at the entrance. I say to not give up on it yet, Disney makes things for your enjoyment. Just believe in Disney, because you know their capabilities. I don't remember Dinseyland being a BOOM success, either. Just give them time. Let the magic come. They have many tweakings to make, but they did at Disneyland for a while and they still do, too.

~Key

lane junky05
06-21-2006, 08:56 PM
I would! Some people have different opinions. I think DCA is a great place, and signifies how California is great. If they did not build DCA, there would not be the hit, "Soarin' Over California", or an also popular "California Screamin'". I think they did a great job with bringing the magic there. And remember, there are TONS of plans for it, such as renovating the entrance, renovation Condor Flats, and replacing "Golden Dreams" to a smaller theater to where the big sun fountain is at the entrance. I say to not give up on it yet, Disney makes things for your enjoyment. Just believe in Disney, because you know their capabilities. I don't remember Dinseyland being a BOOM success, either. Just give them time. Let the magic come. They have many tweakings to do, but they did at Disneyland for a while and they still do, too.

~Key
there is also plans of a new ride coming in '08 on the pier..and the pier will also be remodeled to look more "victorian" but it will still be a pier.

As for a new water park, that wouldnt be a good idea. I believe there is too much competion with water parks.. there are 4 that are within 40 min. of eachother. And the hotels do have themed pool with slides in them:)

GreatGatsby
06-21-2006, 09:32 PM
Sorry KESD. The decision has been made at the top of Disney: California Adventure is being jettisoned, and the park is being re-themed.

They have been taking down the DCA signs around the resort over the past nine months or so, and Iger confirmed in the March meeting that the CALIFORNIA sign, the Golden Gate Bridge, the mosaic, and the gold sun are being removed as part of this re-theming.

He would not confirm what was going in, as he said their future plans were being modified all the time (the latest seems to be a Walt Disney's career park, but we'll see). But it's been confirmed that DCA will cease to be DCA within the next couple of years.

Despite its fans, and aside from a couple of decent attractions, the park just did not work.

Oranges
06-21-2006, 09:34 PM
Sorry KESD. The decision has been made at the top of Disney: California Adventure is being jettisoned, and the park is being re-themed.

They have been taking down the DCA signs around the resort over the past nine months or so, and Iger confirmed in the March meeting that the CALIFORNIA sign, the Golden Gate Bridge, the mosaic, and the gold sun are being removed as part of this re-theming.

He would not confirm what was going in, as he said their future plans were being modified all the time (the latest seems to be a Walt Disney's career park, but we'll see). But it's been confirmed that DCA will cease to be DCA within the next couple of years.

Despite its fans, and aside from a couple of decent attractions, the park just did not work.

That surprises me, because it always sounded like it was a great park that was very people-catching. It sounded a little more octane, which I thought would bring in the crowds. Obviously, it did not.

~fo

DinoVan
06-21-2006, 09:37 PM
i like water parks but what about its tough to be a bug? and tower of terorr? and california screamin? are those just gonna be torn down? whats next? its a small world?

Anielmz
06-21-2006, 09:40 PM
I have been to Disney World, and they have 2 water parks. I agree, they should make Disneyland have at least 1 waterpark! :D

Neoteny
06-21-2006, 09:54 PM
DCA has a few good rides and attractions, but the problem I think is the theme itself. People in California don't want to go to a California-themed park. And people from out-of-state are already going to California when they go to Disneyland.

If they changed it to something like Walt Disney Studios in Paris or Disney-MGM Studios in Florida, that might work better. They could even keep many of the same attractions. Just lose the "California" name and theme. It doesn't appeal to locals or visitors.

KEBSD
12-23-2006, 02:34 PM
Sorry KESD. The decision has been made at the top of Disney: California Adventure is being jettisoned, and the park is being re-themed.

They have been taking down the DCA signs around the resort over the past nine months or so, and Iger confirmed in the March meeting that the CALIFORNIA sign, the Golden Gate Bridge, the mosaic, and the gold sun are being removed as part of this re-theming.

He would not confirm what was going in, as he said their future plans were being modified all the time (the latest seems to be a Walt Disney's career park, but we'll see). But it's been confirmed that DCA will cease to be DCA within the next couple of years.

Despite its fans, and aside from a couple of decent attractions, the park just did not work.

I am very aware of that. As I said in my post, they are making many renovations. And once the renovations are done, then maybe the park will be more successful. Also as I said, give it time, it just needs to catch on.
And I agree Neoteny, I think a new name would do the park good. If I'm not mistaken, the park opened with the name "California Experience."

I like this discussion :)

~Key

Jacques
12-23-2006, 03:02 PM
There is a reason why there is no New Orleans Square at WDW. The real one is close enough.

This is how I feel about DCA. It's the red-headed stepchild. While Disneyland proudly celelbrated its 50th anniversary, DCA meekly had its "Oh, yeah? Well we're 5!" banners up. I feel people go to DCA because DLR gets too crowded, not by any real desire. Neoteny was saying that the WDW water parks lack the Disney touch. Same goes for DCA.

Not being a roller coaster fan, the most "thrilling" attraction I can ride there is Soarin', and it makes my GF airsick. There is nothing we really go on together over there. Heck, the Monorail doesn't even wanna stop in! (Yeah, I know the reasons why. I used to drive them).

I believe it would have been in the Resort's best interest to stick with the WestCOT plans. They were based off a winning idea, updated and modified to match our location. Of course, the original Tomorrowland plans were much better than the actual execution, as well.

GreatGatsby
12-25-2006, 04:37 AM
I believe it would have been in the Resort's best interest to stick with the WestCOT plans. They were based off a winning idea, updated and modified to match our location. Of course, the original Tomorrowland plans were much better than the actual execution, as well.Indeed. And he have the same now-absent guy to thanks for both of these miscreants: Paul Pressler. Oh, the stories I could tell.

There was a time when the Iger people looked over the Westcot plans to see if they could be retrofitted, but I think that passed by. Latest I heard is there's some disagreement between John Lasseter and Tony Baxter as to what the next step is for DCA. Given that Iger is now starting to jettison the Eisner people from Imagineering, My money is on Baxter departing very soon (and I won't be all that sad on that one). Once that situation is solved, then the levelling of DCA may commence . . . or whatever it is they'll finally do,

DerekJ
12-25-2006, 04:54 AM
There is a reason why there is no New Orleans Square at WDW. The real one is close enough.

(Although Walt had intended to build Liberty Square for DL, as tribute to "Johnny Tremain" while it was still filming, but never got around to it.)

This is how I feel about DCA. It's the red-headed stepchild.

Most look at it as "Charity for West Coast locals":
Ie., for those who can't make it all the way to Florida to see Turtle Talk, Tower of Terror, Kali River Rapids or Disney/MGM Studios--Okay, so they had to make up a "theme" as an excuse, but hey, it was just part of the game.

jdrocks
12-26-2006, 02:44 AM
I know! WDW has it...WHY CAN'T WE CALI'S TOO?!? lol.

GreatGatsby
12-26-2006, 02:54 AM
Most look at it as "Charity for West Coast locals":I do not believe you speak for "most" people.

And your comment really does not have much merit, since the examples you give also applies to a certain extent to DLP and TDL. What you're discussing is simply attraction sharing, something the parks have done since the inception of WDW in 1971, when the Magic Kingdom was built using mostly duplicate Disneyland attractions.

You also overlooked that the latest DCA attraction is a Monsters ride no other parks has as yet, while Turtle Talk was opened at DCA first, facts which are completely contrary to your point. May I also remind you that Soarin' was also opened at DCA first, which is why it all takes place in California?

What Eisner and Pressler had in mind when they started DCA had as much to do with out-of-state tourists as it did the locals: why visit the rest of California later when you can get the best stuff in Anaheim? Half-witted ideas make for a half-witted park . . . the rest was shared attractions, like other Disney parks.

Having a preference for a place is one thing, but choosing to insult another place and/or a whole group of people to promote that preference - especially without having researched the facts first - is not really contributing much to the discussion.

Neoteny
12-26-2006, 02:44 PM
What Eisner and Pressler had in mind when they started DCA had as much to do with out-of-state tourists as it did the locals: why visit the rest of California later when you can get the best stuff in Anaheim? Half-witted ideas make for a half-witted park . . . the rest was shared attractions, like other Disney parks.
Yes, why go to the real Hollywood when you can visit a poor facsimile only thirty miles away?

GreatGatsby
12-28-2006, 03:19 PM
Yes, why go to the real Hollywood when you can visit a poor facsimile only thirty miles away?Well, the facsimile is certainly cleaner . . . but your point is essentially a good one.

Jacques
12-28-2006, 04:50 PM
Though I'm somewhat embarrassed to take my girlfriend to the real Hollywood, as it's not what it used to be, I'd much rather go there than a bad knockoff.

Also, one of the reasons Walt built Disneyland, is because he didn't like the sideshow/carny/state fair reputation. He avoided any of those sort of rides. Well, Paradise Pier is a crafty way around that, proving that once and for all, Walt's ideals are no longer valued by the company. Alcohol is now served in a Disney theme park (which, I must admit, makes being over there more tolerable). Merchants are opting out of their contracts, due to poor attendance and revenue. While Disneyland is packed, DCA is a ghost town (and not the cool Knott's Berry Farm kind, either).

PirateMario
02-05-2007, 02:50 AM
Yea There Shoud Be a Water Park With a 6 Story Tall Slide

Hayleepants_94
02-05-2007, 03:13 AM
DCA is an excellent park except there are hardly any kid(under the age of 4) rides I mean they ahve some excellent rides and they are super fun, except they have ahrdly any kid's things. But a water park would be nice, maybe having the water park there would bring in more people and then maybe more people will come to DCA. But I highly doubt that would happen.