...until one side either gives up or is simply unable to continue.

Yes, VMK is closing today. However, I encourage you all to see this not as losing the fight, but to see it as a test. Will you give up simply because they've shut down the servers (Even though they most likely have a backup lying about somewhere), or, will you continue the fight, trying to get Disney to reboot the system and open the game again at some later date? When you said you wouldn't take no for an answer, when you said you thought we had a chance to save VMK, when you said you'd fight to the end, did you really mean it, or did you only say it to improve morale?

Disney, of course, expects us to shut our faces now that the game is officially closing. Think how much it'd show we care if we continued as if the closing never happened. This is a test to show your devotion to the game. In a metaphorical sense, this is what separates the boys from the men, if you will.

As the saying goes, "It's better to be a hammer than an anvil." You have a choice: Will you lay down and be the anvil, quietly accepting Disney's actions without making actions back; or will you be the hammer, and fight for what you believe in?

I'm not going to tell you how to do it, because, quite frankly, I'm wearing down. Life is getting in the way of me helping you guys right now. But, you know what? Many of you are kids, the next generation. When you grow as old as we are, it'll be your job to change the world, to speak up, to use your voice. So, why not start now, with something with little consequence? Consider the fight for VMK practice for the future.

So get out there and fight. Send letters. Protest. Boycott. Whatever floats your boat, as long as you do it. Silence is surrender. As one of my favorite songs goes...

Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you want to change it?

Yes! We can't give up!
I, for one, am not!

Staff have already told us there is nothing we can do to change their minds. Nothing we can do to make disney even consider not closing vmk. I hate to say this so much, but we lost. Disney is too powerful, and even though you may think it's not true, they don't care about us. If Walt was here, he would do something. They should think about that.

Guys sorry to say this for the 100th time, VMK is closing.
You can stop facts, its just a promotion.
I wish it wasn't, but its closing.
Just stop fighting, and just spend the time you have left on VMK.
Which isn't much.

Staff have already told us there is nothing we can do to change their minds. Nothing we can do to make disney even consider not closing vmk. I hate to say this so much, but we lost. Disney is too powerful, and even though you may think it's not true, they don't care about us. If Walt was here, he would do something. They should think about that.

I'd hate to pull up the old "History" card since it's been done so many times, but...

A lot of fights, the big guy tells the underdog that there's no changing his mind. French Revolution. America's fight for independence from England. The fight against slavery. Did that stop them? No.

And, mind you, their cause was a lot bigger than ours.

Guys sorry to say this for the 100th time, VMK is closing.
You can stop facts, its just a promotion.
I wish it wasn't, but its closing.
Just stop fighting, and just spend the time you have left on VMK.
Which isn't much.



It's this exact same style of thoguht that gets America into so many messes, politicaly, economically, and environmentally.

It's this exact same style of thoguht that gets America into so many messes, politicaly, economically, and environmentally.

Well atleast we have good grammar!
Plus there is no reason in fighting, I love vmk.
But it gave us three good years, don't be boycotting it.

But it gave us three good years, don't be boycotting it.

Aye. I, personally, do not think boycotting is a morally acceptable route. Too much collateral damage. But I do understand the logic behind it: Disney is a corporation, and as such, they have to look out for the shareholder's best interests. If the damage done by the boycotting is higher than what it takes to run VMK, they have no choice but to walk into the server room and flip the switch on.

As I've said, this isn't my fight as much as it used to be. I haven't logged on to VMK in a while. But I want to see these guys win more than anything.

I wont give up either! Whatever they say! Its a matter os 45 minutes!

Lordillidan, I promise you, I will keep fighting till the day I die!

edit: I promise you, I will keep trying till the day I don't feel like it anymore!

Me too!! The DAY I DIE! I repeat DAY I DIE!

We cant give up our game. Remember the thread EKB made to show the picture of people screaming '' SAVE VMK''. Who says we still cant do that now?

Lordillidan, I promise you, I will keep fighting till the day I die!

Me too!! The DAY I DIE! I repeat DAY I DIE!

That's what I like to see ;) Don't make promises you can't keep, though.
We cant give up our game. Remember the thread EKB made to show the picture of people screaming '' SAVE VMK''. Who says we still cant do that now?

Nobody ;)

VMK will NEVER die in my heart, and as long as that is true, I will NEVER stop fighting for it. I don't care if people say "It's over. Get over it," well I say never, not until it comes back!

well....... i'm just a kid.
can't do much
wish i could tho :P

i already have this special little rally dreamed up... hmm. who knows. ill do it someday.
i wont forget the day they shattered a million dreams...
i will get back at disney someday...

A lot of fights, the big guy tells the underdog that there's no changing his mind. French Revolution. America's fight for independence from England. The fight against slavery. Did that stop them? No.

And, mind you, their cause was a lot bigger than ours.

Mind you, those situations involved tragedy and more. If you think about it, they were all life or death situations, whereas VMK was a game. They shaped the world that we know today. They affected BILLIONS of people. If VMK came back, then only 50,000 (going out on a limb, here) people would be affected by it. Besides, those examples that you mentioned were physical fights of good against evil, right against wrong. Your fight is for a virtual game of customer/consumer against one of the biggest and most powerful companies in the world.

Please, do not get me wrong. I loved VMK, the community that it became, and will always remember it. I just want to point out that it is beyond saving. I don't want to see these kids that are still trying to save it get discouraged, depressed, and thinking that they can't make a difference. Saving VMK is not an option anymore.

well....... i'm just a kid.
can't do much
wish i could tho :P

i already have this special little rally dreamed up... hmm. who knows. ill do it someday.
i wont forget the day they shattered a million dreams...
i will get back at disney someday...

A kid can do a lot more than you think. I wouldn't get your hopes up about VMK, though, because then that will get you thinking that kids can't do anything.

Also, they didn't exactly shatter a million dreams. It was quite a bit less than that.

A kid can do a lot more than you think. I wouldn't get your hopes up about VMK, though, because then that will get you thinking that kids can't do anything.

Also, they didn't exactly shatter a million dreams. It was quite a bit less than that.

eh. about 6,000 dreams
LOL

So I guess it's not over until the gates are open again? More letters, phone-calls, emails? Good job. This just goes to show: THE FLOOR IN THE CASTLE SUITE ROOM LIES! :(

Like some other people said, VMK has closed. I do not believe that VMK will open, but maybe a similar game will open in the future. Disney has already decided to close, and that is exactly what they did. They have recieved so many phone calls, so many letters and e-mails that it probably bothers them that people are still trying to save it.

I don't know, I just don't think that it will open again.

~Disneyland Matterhorn

well that's it, it's gone :( I guess our mission for vmk has failed. Like they say in Grand Theft Auto "Mission Failed"

Staff have already told us there is nothing we can do to change their minds. Nothing we can do to make disney even consider not closing vmk.

True. No matter how sad you may be about it, it's the truth. VMK has closed already, having it be May 23 when I post this...But look; we lost. It's not open. It's the truth.

Did Noah give up before he finished the Ark?

Did Queen Elizabeth I give up before the Spanish Armada invaded England?

Did Bobby DeLaughter and Myrlie Evers give up their case before they finally put Byron De La Beckwith in Jail?

I don't think any of them did!

That's why we won't stop trying to save VMK!

"The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney

Those things are MUCH different than trying to save VMK. Why don't you guys get it? Those were situations that affected billions of people. Some of them involved life or death, and some changed the way that future generations would live.

If you convinced Disney to re-open VMK, around 50,000 (just a guess) people would be affected by it. It wouldn't have a very big impact on future generations, and wouldn't change the world or a large portion of it.

And my last point, you are trying to convince one of the world's largest and most powerful companies to re-open what is possibly one of their smallest sources of revenue to satisfy an insignificant amount of their customers/potential customers. I didn't want VMK to close, I didn't want it to end, but we have to realize that Disney made it's decision. Nothing more could have been done. And, yes, it is sad; but that is what happened.

If you're trying to use this campaign to save VMK as a way to show kids that they can make a difference, don't. It will discourage them even further, when they finally see that Disney closed VMK's gates for good. If you want kids to realize their potential to speak up and make a difference, then there are plenty of other ways for them to do so; that don't end up in failure!

MyBirdHat, you just read my mind, i totally agree with what you said.

Those things are MUCH different than trying to save VMK. Why don't you guys get it? Those were situations that affected billions of people. Some of them involved life or death, and some changed the way that future generations would live.

If you convinced Disney to re-open VMK, around 50,000 (just a guess) people would be affected by it. It wouldn't have a very big impact on future generations, and wouldn't change the world or a large portion of it.

And my last point, you are trying to convince one of the world's largest and most powerful companies to re-open what is possibly one of their smallest sources of revenue to satisfy an insignificant amount of their customers/potential customers. I didn't want VMK to close, I didn't want it to end, but we have to realize that Disney made it's decision. Nothing more could have been done. And, yes, it is sad; but that is what happened.

If you're trying to use this campaign to save VMK as a way to show kids that they can make a difference, don't. It will discourage them even further, when they finally see that Disney closed VMK's gates for good. If you want kids to realize their potential to speak up and make a difference, then there are plenty of other ways for them to do so; that don't end up in failure!

I think that you are missing the point.

You shouldn't give up. Keep trying. And yes, kids can make a difference. So who are you to say they can't?

Oh no sir're this is over for me.
Oh no no no.
Once I go to disney world soon, I am getting my dad into this.
I am having him go straight up to the manager of VMK or whatever it is and having him talk some SENSE INTO THEM.
I will seriously do anything to let vmk come back up again.
If VMK comes up soon, you'll know its because of me.
LOL

I think that you are missing the point.

You shouldn't give up. Keep trying. And yes, kids can make a difference. So who are you to say they can't?

I think that you're missing the point of my post. I said that kids can make a difference, I believe you may have skipped over some of my points.

even if they did put it back up, people would have to start over again

:[

Those things are MUCH different than trying to save VMK. Why don't you guys get it? Those were situations that affected billions of people. Some of them involved life or death, and some changed the way that future generations would live.

Which, in essence, makes it sound a lot HARDER than what we're doing. And yet, they still did it, didn't they?

(Also: Martin Luther King Jr. seemed to do it without bloodshed...)

If you convinced Disney to re-open VMK, around 50,000 (just a guess) people would be affected by it. It wouldn't have a very big impact on future generations, and wouldn't change the world or a large portion of it.

Not the game itself, no. But the journey we must undertake to get it back open...

And my last point, you are trying to convince one of the world's largest and most powerful companies to re-open what is possibly one of their smallest sources of revenue to satisfy an insignificant amount of their customers/potential customers. I didn't want VMK to close, I didn't want it to end, but we have to realize that Disney made it's decision. Nothing more could have been done. And, yes, it is sad; but that is what happened.

It's a small source of revenue that upset a lot of people, quite a few of which have cancelled their subscriptions to other, more paying games.

If you're trying to use this campaign to save VMK as a way to show kids that they can make a difference, don't. It will discourage them even further, when they finally see that Disney closed VMK's gates for good. If you want kids to realize their potential to speak up and make a difference, then there are plenty of other ways for them to do so; that don't end up in failure!

Yeah, but how many of those other ways will they put as much passion into as this one?

I honestly don't believe this is a lost cause. Disney has changed their minds about things before, who's to say that can't do it again?

Maybe also since it was in 6 different news papers. And we kept to it! Yeah!

We cant give up our game. Remember the thread EKB made to show the picture of people screaming '' SAVE VMK''. Who says we still cant do that now?

Yea, when my friend told me to yell " Im not a fannah of Hannah Montana" i was thinking why not "Save VMK the players wanna play!"

I mean whats more important? Saving VMK or hating Hannah Montana?!?! I'd yell it like i mean't it! I mean when we went on a ride, instead of screaming i should have yelled Save VMK the players wanna play!

I posted this in another area regarding hope that VMK was continuing because of a rumor but I think it belongs here more.
Lets not jump To any conclusions. VMK is closed for now until we have proof from Disney that it has been renewed. This is a tough time for us all when many can prey on our feelings and wants.
While I STILL encourage everyone to contact Disney,(See link under my signature), lets be cautious of any news unless we get it from the horse's mouth.
We have made a difference contrary to those that see the closing as only a failure.
We were heard by news outlets/blogs/people all over the world. There were references from staff/management of Disney regarding our efforts. We may have lost a battle but the war is far from over.
Be strong, Be heard.
Stand up for what you believe in.
I have been quiet since closing, but the more I've thought about the last day the angrier I have become. They created this world in which we improved and evolved upon. We made the guest rooms. We made the contacts/friends that they took away. They wanted to show the world what the kingdom was about, and we perfected it only to have it taken away with no true answer as to why. A promotion? Please! If that were the case why did it go 3 years. Further more, after 3 years, what suddenly changed? Obviously those on the creative side thought it was continuing. The future releases were dumped on us the last few weeks of VMK.
I'm not sure about all of you but..
I was on the last day.
I was on until close.
I sent and received more messages trying to thank/recognize those that meant a lot to me over the last few years. And it was not a great feeling. We did not get a say in how friendships would end. We did not get a say in what happened to our stuff. We did not get a say in how we would end our play in a game that both families/individuals/young/and old had grown to love and look forward to. We never had a choice..
But we do now. We still can let them know how we feel.
Those that said the end is near never told us anything we did not know.
A new beginning is up to us.
Thanks to those that stood against the odds.
Thanks to those that felt they could not but still played up to the end - that in itself was a reason to keep the game going.
We have been victorious in the sense we came together against a huge obstacle and we stand to keep the dream alive.

Yes. Like mrmyth said, although VMK is gone, little has changed upon the metaphorical battleground. If anything, continuing even though the game is closed shows that we're even more serious than they previously thought.

We're all upset about the closing. I, personally, have only been able to get back in contact with about 5 of my 150 VMK friends, and never got to say goodbye to the rest.

But I'm not going to just sit in a corner and cry about it. I'm going to fight for VMK.

Has it ever occurred to you that... PIXELS are going away--not real life.
You have real life friends and family--not to mention real life money. Real life furniture. You pause your life to play VMK (well some do). Did this ever occur to you? Real life is staring us in the face but our faces were staring into a virtual life of virtual friends and family. VIRTUAL. PIXELS. FAKE. Friends who you only knew the outside of. All virtual. Sure, there's a person on the other side of that pixelated character you call friend, but you don't know it as well as you know your real-life friends. Maybe...VMK closed for the good of us. All of us. Whether you like it or not, you may see your life changing before your eyes. It's not a pixelated life. It's real. Think about it.

Which, in essence, makes it sound a lot HARDER than what we're doing. And yet, they still did it, didn't they?

(Also: Martin Luther King Jr. seemed to do it without bloodshed...)

Honestly, I would think that saving VMK would be harder. All of the examples that you and others had mentioned were fights for REAL THINGS. VMK was virtual, and therefore I'd say that it'd be way harder to save. Especially since you're fighting against Disney.

Also, I didn't mean that they all used violence to reach their goals. Some of them faced violence, as Martin Luther King Jr. did. Many people (including Martin Luther King Jr.) were hurt and killed during that ordeal; how can you say that there was no bloodshed?

Not the game itself, no. But the journey we must undertake to get it back open...

...would leave a great memory in the minds of whoever fought to keep it open?

It's a small source of revenue that upset a lot of people, quite a few of which have cancelled their subscriptions to other, more paying games.

What is quite a few people compared to the masses that play their games?

Yeah, but how many of those other ways will they put as much passion into as this one?

Are you serious? You think that kids would be more passionate about saving VMK then something such as supporting finding the cure for a life-threatening illness? If they went past their selfishness, they'd understand which is more important.

I honestly don't believe this is a lost cause. Disney has changed their minds about things before, who's to say that can't do it again?

Nobody. And while there might be a chance, it would be a very, very, very small one.

Has it ever occurred to you that... PIXELS are going away--not real life.

Yes. So?
You have real life friends and family--not to mention real life money. Real life furniture.

Yes. So?
You pause your life to play VMK (well some do).
And you're pausing your life to argue with us when we're not hindering your life in any way.

Did this ever occur to you?

Yes. So?
Real life is staring us in the face but our faces were staring into a virtual life of virtual friends and family.
And quite a few ofus were able to balance both.



VIRTUAL. PIXELS. FAKE.
Go read Gamer Theory by McKenzie Wark. These "pixels" you speak of have much more meaning than you act like they do.

Friends who you only knew the outside of.

I'm sorry, but I really find no use in knowing my friend's blood pressure, prefered brand of battery, etc. etc.

I don't have to know everything about a friend to like them.
All virtual.
Yes. So?

Sure, there's a person on the other side of that pixelated character you call friend, but you don't know it as well as you know your real-life friends.
Not true. There are many online friends that are closer to me than some of my real friends, and vice versa. Just because they're on the other side of the screen doesn't necessarily mean they're instantly less important.

Maybe...VMK closed for the good of us. All of us. Whether you like it or not, you may see your life changing before your eyes. It's not a pixelated life. It's real. Think about it.

*Coughcough* I haven't been on VMK since December, thank you very much. So don't try to pull the "Face real life" stuff on me. Real life is the reason I've been away.

Honestly, I would think that saving VMK would be harder. All of the examples that you and others had mentioned were fights for REAL THINGS. VMK was virtual, and therefore I'd say that it'd be way harder to save. Especially since you're fighting against Disney.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that friendships and communities were only myths.

Also, I didn't mean that they all used violence to reach their goals. Some of them faced violence, as Martin Luther King Jr. did. Many people (including Martin Luther King Jr.) were hurt and killed during that ordeal; how can you say that there was no bloodshed?

The way you were talking, you sounded like those cases of history worked because of the bloodshed.

Regardless, I hate having to pull the history card. Too expected, and doesn't have the same effect it used to. Let's move along.


...would leave a great memory in the minds of whoever fought to keep it open?

Yep. So then, years later, they can go "Hey, if we made it so far back then (Regardless of if we won or not,) Why can't we go farther this time?"



What is quite a few people compared to the masses that play their games?

Considering Disney is a corporation that has to look out for the best interests of the shareholders, if the damage we do is higher than what it costs to just run VMK...

Again, though, I personally do not like boycotting.



Are you serious? You think that kids would be more passionate about saving VMK then something such as supporting finding the cure for a life-threatening illness? If they went past their selfishness, they'd understand which is more important.

The thing is, how much can the average person do for the latter? Donate money, and maybe give some encouraging words for those who are affected by the illness.

What can they do to save VMK? Alot.

If everyone only cared about the "Most important" problem, The rest would never get fixed.

Nobody. And while there might be a chance, it would be a very, very, very small one.

No smaller than it was before.

>_< I am thinking we have really different opinions on this...and I'm thinking you were much more attached to VMK than me..

In response to xoop's posts:

I agree with you to a certain extent with the whole, "Pixels" thing. Yes, it's not real life, and it's nowhere near as important as the issues we may face in real life. But that doesn't mean it isn't important.

In regard to VMK's closing, it really is a matter of opinion. Some may think it's completely pointless to fight over a battle that we've already lost (though we really haven't), and some may dedicate all of their time to keep fighting. Just because this is a game doesn't mean it's unimportant, and not worth fighting for. Think about people who make video games for a living. They make money off of it, right? They make money off of something that frankly, we don't need. It's something we want. And obviously, it's something that is worth paying someone for.

So if video game creators can make money off of something completely pointless, then why does it seem so strange to fight to keep a video game alive? There's really no difference, if you ask me.

I don't know if any of this will make sense to you, I've never been good at writing down the thoughts that I have in my head :/ Ah well, I tried :)

~Pink

>_< I am thinking we have really different opinions on this...and I'm thinking you were much more attached to VMK than me..

Yet he missed the closing, and hasn't been on VMK since December?

Yet he missed the closing, and hasn't been on VMK since December?

Hehheh. Don't get me wrong, I love VMK. I just know real life comes first.

In regard to VMK's closing, it really is a matter of opinion. Some may think it's completely pointless to fight over a battle that we've already lost (though we really haven't), and some may dedicate all of their time to keep fighting. Just because this is a game doesn't mean it's unimportant, and not worth fighting for. Think about people who make video games for a living. They make money off of it, right? They make money off of something that frankly, we don't need. It's something we want. And obviously, it's something that is worth paying someone for.

So if video game creators can make money off of something completely pointless, then why does it seem so strange to fight to keep a video game alive? There's really no difference, if you ask me.

I don't know if any of this will make sense to you, I've never been good at writing down the thoughts that I have in my head :/ Ah well, I tried :)

~Pink

Well, not only that, but, to many, Video games aren't just a form of entertainment. It's a form of art, similar to music and painting.

Just look at some screenshots of VMK. Even when it's deserted, there's these tiny little details that make it feel like a humongous, living, breathing world. Take, for example, the big New York-esque city you can see far down below from the monorail station, or how the islands on the Pirates game (The one that gives you ship codes) have their own geography, almost like real islands.

They put a lot of time, effort, and artistic vision into making VMK. Shutting it down is equivalent to burning a painting just because it didn't sell for high enough in an auction (regardless of how many people wanted it)

Just look at some screenshots of VMK. Even when it's deserted, there's these tiny little details that make it feel like a humongous, living, breathing world. Take, for example, the big New York-esque city you can see far down below from the monorail station, or how the islands on the Pirates game (The one that gives you ship codes) have their own geography, almost like real islands.

They put a lot of time, effort, and artistic vision into making VMK. Shutting it down is equivalent to burning a painting just because it didn't sell for high enough in an auction (regardless of how many people wanted it)

Hm, I never thought of it like that.. you're absolutely right, though.
You remind me of one of my friends from real life, just in the way that you talk about things :) That was a bit off topic, but.. you do. Hah.

~Pink

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that friendships and communities were only myths.

...

Sorry, I guess I didn't say it correctly. I'm not one of the people who says that VMK was just a game; I believe that it was a community where friendships were made and such. When I wrote that I was looking at it from Disney's perspective. I doubt that they'd think that VMK was a community, to be honest.

The way you were talking, you sounded like those cases of history worked because of the bloodshed.

Regardless, I hate having to pull the history card. Too expected, and doesn't have the same effect it used to. Let's move along.

No, that isn't what I was trying to say. I was simply attempting to say that those things were fights in which people had to face violent opposition and similar to reach their goals. Whereas with saving VMK you face a huge company, and not much else.

Yep. So then, years later, they can go "Hey, if we made it so far back then (Regardless of if we won or not,) Why can't we go farther this time?"

Not everything that you campaign for will be like VMK. Saving VMK doesn't involve the chance that you'll be killed, injured, or arrested (well, at least it doesn't for most people). I don't think that you can compare your fight to save VMK with some other possible fights...

Considering Disney is a corporation that has to look out for the best interests of the shareholders, if the damage we do is higher than what it costs to just run VMK...

Again, though, I personally do not like boycotting.

The only things that we could do to damage Disney enough to put back VMK would probably be illegal.

The thing is, how much can the average person do for the latter? Donate money, and maybe give some encouraging words for those who are affected by the illness.

What can they do to save VMK? Alot.

If everyone only cared about the "Most important" problem, The rest would never get fixed.

But, are the rest even worth fixing? What purpose will they serve if those fights are won? In VMK's case, it would provide enjoyment for a small number of people.


Well, I'm sure we can continue arguing like this forever. But, I doubt that either one of us really wants to go on that long, lol. I see that this is something that you are adamant about and that I can't persuade you otherwise. Not only would it be near-impossible to get you to change your mind, but now that I think about it not everybody believes the same things to be worth fighting for. I'll keep my opinion and won't bug the radicals such as yourself anymore. I never wanted to offend anybody, I just didn't want to see people spending the majority of their time trying to save VMK.

honestly, disney is being stubborn. i dont think they will ever open it back up unless they suddenly get a change of heart. fighting still Might do something, who knows, but really, what else is there we could do? the people who arent around disney parks are just stuck on their computer trying to do stuff by signing petitions. it seems disney doesnt give a care what kids think, yet, their target is mainly kids.

I will try to keep fighting. As said in my goodbye, I can't find much motivation or strength to get on the the computer.

Xoop, I have to say, I agree to some extent. The pixels are fake, but are our emotions and wishes?

Another thing, stop using "Would Walt ______?" as an excuse. He died in the 60s, and we really don't know what he'd do. So please stop using that.

Keep fighting everyone. Keep fighting.

There never was a fight.
You can't fight without two different sides to it.
They were never fighting against you guys. They shrugged off your little protests and went their own way.
They didn't fight. VMK's closed, and that's that.

You can't fight without two sides to the battle.

~Spotty

There never was a fight.
You can't fight without two different sides to it.
They were never fighting against you guys. They shrugged off your little protests and went their own way.
They didn't fight. VMK's closed, and that's that.

You can't fight without two sides to the battle.

~Spotty

That does not mean there wasn't a fight. It simply means they won the battle.. however nobody has won the war.

Hehheh. Don't get me wrong, I love VMK. I just know real life comes first.

Haha I know. I was just proving a point. ^^

Oh, I am so glad we don't all have to agree... But listen, for those who say "we can still fight"... Fight for what? VMK is closed isn't it? We can't log in, can we?

War? Ack. Again!
There it goes!
There was no battle! There was no war!
Nobody ever fought against you. They ignored it and closed VMK.
Please, get over it. So I don't feel embarassed for the people who are being melodramatic.
I've got to hand it to you, you're stubborn.

~Spotty

War? Ack. Again!
There it goes!
There was no battle! There was no war!
Nobody ever fought against you. They ignored it and closed VMK.
Please, get over it. So I don't feel embarassed for the people who are being melodramatic.
I've got to hand it to you, you're stubborn.

~Spotty

That is a great point, and it is something that most of these people tend to look over.

The "Save VMK!" people faced no opposition. Disney didn't have to fight anybody, and they didn't. They simply closed the game. A fight involves two sides, and in this so-called fight, there is only one side.

That is a great point, and it is something that most of these people tend to look over.

The "Save VMK!" people faced no opposition. Disney didn't have to fight anybody, and they didn't. They simply closed the game. A fight involves two sides, and in this so-called fight, there is only one side.

I........ hate to admit it, but I agree with Astro....
Disney didn't give a care, chances are, they won't.
They're a BIG company, and vmk was a tiny little pimple on their face that they wanted to get rid of.
I didn't wanna c vmk go, i'll admit, but that doesn't mean i'm gonna go fighting a one-sided battle. I'm not trying to discourage anyone, just sayin that you shouldn't get your hopes TOO high.

What a pessimistic response.

VMK may be gone for now, but we can still resurrect it. When people put up a fight, something happens. Even is that something is small, it's still something. VMK is gone, but are the petitions gone? Are we as humans gone?

I don't care if I'm the only person left fighting, I have a cause. We being angry consumers, Disney will respond sometime. One person made it many times in history... so who are you to tell us that 20,000+ people can't?

Spot, your signature disappoints me. Many people cried for VMK. Grown men cried for VMK. They lost many friends. They lost masterpieces of rooms. They lost items that they worked hard for, and truly came to love. Why don't you get over the fact that some people are upset?

Spot, your signature disappoints me. Many people cried for VMK. Grown men cried for VMK. They lost many friends. They lost masterpieces of rooms. They lost items that they worked hard for, and truly came to love. Why don't you get over the fact that some people are upset?


I agree. Just because you may think it's silly to cry over a game doesn't mean it is. I know it's just your opinion, but it may be offending to the people who have cried over it to tell them to 'seek medical help', even if it was just a joke. I, personally, did not cry. But I've cried over things that people don't think was worth crying for many a time. It isn't like there's a list of some sort of 'normal' things to cry over. Whatever upsets you, upsets you. Whatever doesn't, doesn't.

~Pink

Let me just say for the record that Kellisman is not alone in the efforts that continue. It is easy to just accept the closing of the game and walk away. Disney is counting on it. They are counting on everyone just moving onto the next game they bring out. And once POTC and TOOn has lost their interest, they'll expect you to just blindly follow them to the next thing on the list. After all..
You did before.
Maybe that is not ok for some of us. Maybe we will let them know by not joining the next fad game they bring out.
Maybe we will continue to let them know how we feel. It certainly is no skin off your little noses if you do not want to join in or even agree with it.
With that being said, instead of telling others to stop their efforts and move on, maybe you should stop telling us what we can accomplish and what we cannot. Maybe since you all have so easily been herded along, enjoy whatever the new thing you are content to dive into now, and stop trying to prove to us what we already know.
VMK is closed.
We however will continue to remind Disney of the poor decision to do so.
Our efforts just might be what gets that new game you have moved onto a little longer life.

Let me just say for the record that Kellisman is not alone in the efforts that continue. It is easy to just accept the closing of the game and walk away. Disney is counting on it. They are counting on everyone just moving onto the next game they bring out. And once POTC and TOOn has lost their interest, they'll expect you to just blindly follow them to the next thing on the list. After all..
You did before.
Maybe that is not ok for some of us. Maybe we will let them know by not joining the next fad game they bring out.
Maybe we will continue to let them know how we feel. It certainly is no skin off your little noses if you do not want to join in or even agree with it.
With that being said, instead of telling others to stop their efforts and move on, maybe you should stop telling us what we can accomplish and what we cannot. Maybe since you all have so easily been herded along, enjoy whatever the new thing you are content to dive into now, and stop trying to prove to us what we already know.
VMK is closed.
We however will continue to remind Disney of the poor decision to do so.
Our efforts just might be what gets that new game you have moved onto a little longer life.

Who said that we're joining Disney's other games? Personally, I have only played TT and CP a few times each. I don't plan on being "herded along" by Disney, but I also don't plan on trying to save something that has already perished.

I'm becoming a bit confused by all of your (and other "save VMK" people's) posts. Are you trying to save VMK, or show Disney what not to do if they ever decide to make a game like it?

Well VMK is gone as we all know.
The effort to save it in some other form has never ended.
When facing odds as great as these sometimes your objective changes. We all hoped that VMK as it was would continue but that deadline has come and passed. The effort now is to show what the game meant to many of us and that there is still a place for it in the Disney online strategy to come.
Hopefully they also will learn from this experience in the way a game that creates a community can effect friendships and brand loyalty.

Well VMK is gone as we all know.
The effort to save it in some other form has never ended.
When facing odds as great as these sometimes your objective changes. We all hoped that VMK as it was would continue but that deadline has come and passed. The effort now is to show what the game meant to many of us and that there is still a place for it in the Disney online strategy to come.
Hopefully they also will learn from this experience in the way a game that creates a community can effect friendships and brand loyalty.

Ah, alright. Here I've been thinking that you're objective was to get Disney to open VMK again. I feel stupid now, lol.

If you're trying to show Disney that they can't do this to us in the future (and also trying to show them what they should do in the future); then I agree with whatever you're doing. I might as well stay away from posting in threads like these when I don't fully know the intention of whom I'm replying to. Sorry for any bashing, and good luck with whatever you may be doing.

Spot, your signature disappoints me. Many people cried for VMK. Grown men cried for VMK. They lost many friends. They lost masterpieces of rooms. They lost items that they worked hard for, and truly came to love. Why don't you get over the fact that some people are upset?
I have to agree with this. So my 2 young children need to seek professional medical help for crying and being upset VMK is gone? I'm supposed to seak help for crying because I've watched my children's hearts break and it broke my heart? How cold and foul!

War? Ack. Again!
There it goes!
There was no battle! There was no war!
Nobody ever fought against you. They ignored it and closed VMK.
Please, get over it.
~Spotty

I sort of agree.
Maybe for some people there was a "war/battle" but I am against the whole save VMK thing. As for Kellisman, even if people cried we don't all have to "feel sorry" for them...
And Spot: the signature isn't terrible, but it might be offending to some.

You're very... Eloquent speakers, I'll give you that.

My signature is offending to some, but those people shouldn't be so easily offended!
Something some teenage girl said on a website is going to offend you?
Apparently, I'm dealing with some fragile people here...

Offending others wasn't my intention with the signature.
Honestly, I was just bored and found the comment entertaining!

What a pessimistic response.
Pessimistic?
Not at all! I'm rather enjoying myself.
So, really, it's optimistically evil.

We being angry consumers, Disney will respond sometime. One person made it many times in history... so who are you to tell us that 20,000+ people can't?
Who am I to tell you? I'm Spotty.
20,000+ is a serious exaggeration. There were around 10,000 players total (not including mules), and less than half of them are being melodramatic about this.

So my 2 young children need to seek professional medical help for crying and being upset VMK is gone? I'm supposed to seak help for crying because I've watched my children's hearts break and it broke my heart?
Little kids crying over a game doesn't signal insanity. They're little kids.
You're a mother. I doubt you cried directly because of VMK's closing (if you did, I'm sorry). It's normal for parents to be upset when their children are.
I dub thee sane.



I'll change the signature to prevent World War III.
Give me a few minutes to find an awesome quote.

~Spotty

You're very... Eloquent speakers, I'll give you that.

My signature is offending to some, but those people shouldn't be so easily offended!
Something some teenage girl said on a website is going to offend you?
Apparently, I'm dealing with some fragile people here...

Got that tail out again I see. Not all on here are fragile people, sometimes we should be careful what we ask for.

Pessimistic?
Not at all! I'm rather enjoying myself.
So, really, it's optimistically evil.

Well that clears it up. When bored, try to be evil. How very melodramatic of you.

Being melodramatic makes you look plain pathetic.
~Spotty

Who am I to tell you? I'm Spotty.
20,000+ is a serious exaggeration. There were around 10,000 players total (not including mules), and less than half of them are being melodramatic about this.

The only thing 'Spotty' in this is your math. 10,000 total? Be real.

Little kids crying over a game doesn't signal insanity. They're little kids.
You're a mother. I doubt you cried directly because of VMK's closing (if you did, I'm sorry). It's normal for parents to be upset when their children are.
I dub thee sane.
~Spotty

Well we sure are glad that 'some teenage girl on a website' has dubbed herself an expert in human sociology. I'll bet they'll be lining up at your door for such sound advice as you are full of.

P.S. - as long as you are googling away looking for quotes to belittle others, here's one in reply:
Our lives are not determined by what happens to us but by how we react to what happens, not by what life brings to us, but by the attitude we bring to life. A positive attitude causes a chain reaction of positive thoughts, events, and outcomes. It is a catalyst, a spark that creates extraordinary results. Anonymous.

even if people cried we don't all have to "feel sorry" for them...

I don't think that anyone is demanding that those who don't care "feel sorry" for them. It's more along the lines of expecting the human courtesy of not calling them petty names and making petty insults to belittle them. If you can't empathize with another human being, at least be kind enough to not kick them while they are down for your own egotistical purposes. (Not you, per say, but in general)

-edit-
Got a few posts mixed up and made comments regarding situations that I was confused about XP Removed

20,000+ is not an exaggeration. That is how many people have signed the petition to save VMK.

~Key

Well we sure are glad that 'some teenage girl on a website' has dubbed herself an expert in human sociology. I'll bet they'll be lining up at your door for such sound advice as you are full of.
P.S. - as long as you are googling away looking for quotes to belittle others, here's one in reply...

An expert in human sociology?
Ugh, no. I have absolutely no social skills (as you can probably tell) and I don't understand people in general.
My "I dub thee sane" comment was intended to be humorous. I'm sorry you didn't catch that.

Giving advice? Hardly. I'm stating my opinions. I'm just bored, I really don't care much what other people are doing. The melodrama is entertaining.

Actually, my friend found the quote that I'm using in my signature at the moment. I found it amusing.
I'll change that, too, I suppose.

Oh, and one more thing.
It's spelled "anonymous."

20,000+ is not an exaggeration. That is how many people have signed the petition to save VMK.
Not including people's mules?

~Spotty

- SOB -
i still cant believe its closed

eh im still dreaming it will open again
i hope thats one of my dreams that comes true

Oh, and one more thing.
It's spelled "anonymous."


Not including people's mules?

~Spotty

Not Including people's mules.
Oh and by the way..
Before we feel all high and mighty regarding a spelling error..
Yes, they're labelling themselves. So is everyone and their mother.
The "goths," "emos," "preps," "chavs," and "jocks" are labelling themselves, too. Why not bash them?
Leave it be, it's a source of entertainment.
~Spotty
(Labeling)

Do you really think a few hunded..
~Spotty
(Hundred)

More of your life being wasted sitting in front of a computer screen and barbequing your eyes?
~Spotty
(barbecuing)
Well never mind, I guess you get the point.
Happens.

An expert in human sociology?
Ugh, no. I have absolutely no social skills (as you can probably tell) and I don't understand people in general...

Neither do I. But I don't showcase it, I don't go "Look at me! Human emotions are unimportant, and I am proud of it!"

I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but that's definitely the message you're sending out.

The melodrama is entertaining.


I reiterate my above statement.

Please, get over it. So I don't feel embarassed for the people who are being melodramatic.
I've got to hand it to you, you're stubborn.

~Spotty

Stubborn? Definitely. Melodromatic? Maybe.
Justified? Yes.

As I've stated before, VMK was more than just a game. To a poor old game developer-in-training like me, it was art. The graphics perfectly used subtle hints to make you feel like the world you were in was far greater than it seemed. The ambient sounds were very subtle, yet very inspired. I loved the quiet mumblings of the crowd in VMK central. And the gameplay, the make-it-or-break-it part of the game that can either reinforce your message or concept or leave the gamer cold, perfectly reinforced the idea of community.

It wasn't like POTC where, despite being all about swashbuckling, all the swordfights seem static, or Toontown, where the gags, while definitely toon-y at first, are, at the end of the day, just cleverly animated weapons in another turn-based fighting system.

Not only that, but VMK also carried a second message that many people definitely felt, but few consciously acknowledge: As you walk around this virtual park and realize all the stages and tools given to you to create your own rooms, rides, or anything else you can imagine, the game seems to whisper "Look about you, at all the stories we have weaved. Are you ready to create your own?" It was the perfect immersion tactic, the perfect blending between gamer and game.

I, personally, consider VMK the Vitruvian Man of games. While it may not have been THE best (That spot is personally reserved in my heart for Phantom Brave), it accurately dissected and showcased the idea of a game not only as a form of entertainment, but a form AND platform for art. It was an amazing inspiration for my own games.

People look at games, and think "Oh, they're just mindless distractions." To some, that may be the case. To many, though, they're no more of a mindless distraction than, say, one of Alfred Hitchc ock's films, or a J.R.R. Tolkien novel.

In fact, some may argue that they're even better. Why? Because many games manage to keep the same depth of story, the same level of storytelling, but, instead of being a passive experience, it pulls the gamer in, makes him PART of the story. Few people realize the immense potential games have as one of the greatest storytelling platforms possible.

To walk into a thread like this and proclaim "VMK was just a game" right in front of me is honestly the equivalent of walking into an art museum and shouting "They're just paintings, people! Move along!" right in front of the curator.

I'll admit I liked the post above me. Though the length was intimidating.

Neither do I. But I don't showcase it, I don't go "Look at me! Human emotions are unimportant, and I am proud of it!"

I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but that's definitely the message you're sending out.
Human emotions are unimportant?
I don't believe that was the message I was sending out.
Actually, I really didn't mean for this to turn into something regarding my morals and social issues.
But, I will say this...
I don't think they're "unimportant." Just confusing, extremely illogical, and sometimes aggravating.

Look. I liked VMK. I was playing since day one, I had my group of friends, and I especially enjoyed pirates.
I was merely saying (or, rather, trying to say) that people are making a huge deal out of the game closing, and it's a little melodramatic.
I'm just going to add that I also find it melodramatic when people cry for books, movies, or songs, so my opinion may be a little harsh to begin with.

Going back and re-reading my posts, I do realize there were some attacks there, and I apologize. I really didn't mean for this to turn into an all-out brawl.

mrmyth, that was poetic justice. I loved that.
Thank you for the corrections. Labeling... Barbecuing....
That one still looks funny to me. Barbecuing... Anyway.

I'll stop poking the hornet's nest with a stick now.
I'll... Try to ignore the posts in this forum, since most of them don't apply to me.
Rants are easier to make logical responses to anyway!

Okay? If I stop throwing rocks at you guys, you'll continue your little... debate/discussion?
Not sure what to call it.
Anyway!
I'm done arguing with you guys.


Honestly, though, LordIllidan... I loved that post.

~Spotty

So agreed. I will never give up, evon if it means setting disney world on fire! I will work untill the day of none, my heart will carry on evon when im dead.

My Disneyworld. Go burn your own.

I'll admit I liked the post above me. Though the length was intimidating.

I tend to do that sometimes :P


Human emotions are unimportant?
I don't believe that was the message I was sending out.
Well, I admittedly lean towards the Romanticism school of thought, partly because I'm not as good at hard logic and business strategy as I am emotion-based logic and human rights, so to speak.

After all, I'm a fantasy writer, not a scholar ;)

Actually, I really didn't mean for this to turn into something regarding my morals and social issues.
But, I will say this...
I don't think they're "unimportant." Just confusing, extremely illogical, and sometimes aggravating.
Some will argue that that's what makes them great. But, since it seems we've called truce, let's not delve into that.

Look. I liked VMK. I was playing since day one, I had my group of friends, and I especially enjoyed pirates.
I was merely saying (or, rather, trying to say) that people are making a huge deal out of the game closing, and it's a little melodramatic.

Well, if we all followed that logic, none of us would be fighting in the first place ;)

(And before someone goes on about how a fight requires interaction from both sides... I only use that verb because that's what it feels like from my side, and because I can't think of a more accurate verb at the moment :P)

Going back and re-reading my posts, I do realize there were some attacks there, and I apologize. I really didn't mean for this to turn into an all-out brawl.

As other people said, it requires two to fight. So, I suppose I'm at fault as well if it turned into a brawl. Apologies.


Honestly, though, LordIllidan... I loved that post.

~Spotty

Thanks ;) I spent a lot of time thinking about it instead of eating a sandwich like I was supposed to ;)

On a completely unrelated note...

So agreed. I will never give up, evon if it means setting disney world on fire! I will work untill the day of none, my heart will carry on evon when im dead.

My Disneyworld. Go burn your own.

This little mini-conversation here made me laugh XD

Staff have already told us there is nothing we can do to change their minds. Nothing we can do to make disney even consider not closing vmk. I hate to say this so much, but we lost. Disney is too powerful, and even though you may think it's not true, they don't care about us. If Walt was here, he would do something. They should think about that.

DID YOU KNOW THEY SAVED WALT'S HEAD?! And your right, the world is messed up cause of things like this. The big guy puts down the little guy. Likein i, Robot, when Del said the thing about the big guy picking on the little guy, referring to the powerful robots making chairs faster than the little guy, being his dad, which showed that the robots should replace Del's father's job. It just what makes the wolrd the world, and at the same time hurts it.

I'm sorry to say this, but let's move on. I myself tried very hard to save VMK in its last months, as many did. We all didn't expect Disney to maintain VMK, in fact, we all knew that was never going to happen. But guess what happened? Disney heard our small voice. That's a victory in itself. That victory taught kids like me that a small voice CAN be heard when other small voices speak with it. Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that we already made the biggest impact that we can make and that trying any harder is just a waste. As many others have been saying, let's look at the demise of VMK as a new beginning. We can apply the life lessons learned from VMK to our real lives that have now become more open. Summer is approaching. Instead of continuing to harrass Disney to do something that they simply will not do, let's enjoy our summer with the memories of VMK in our hearts. We shook Disney as hard as we could, and that is enough for me.

I'm sorry to say this, but let's move on. I myself tried very hard to save VMK in its last months, as many did. We all didn't expect Disney to maintain VMK, in fact, we all knew that was never going to happen. But guess what happened? Disney heard our small voice. That's a victory in itself. That victory taught kids like me that a small voice CAN be heard when other small voices speak with it. Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that we already made the biggest impact that we can make and that trying any harder is just a waste. As many others have been saying, let's look at the demise of VMK as a new beginning. We can apply the life lessons learned from VMK to our real lives that have now become more open. Summer is approaching. Instead of continuing to harrass Disney to do something that they simply will not do, let's enjoy our summer with the memories of VMK in our hearts. We shook Disney as hard as we could, and that is enough for me.
Very well said!

only...I still won't shut up and will keep pestering them..until someone comes to my door and tells me to stop

I'm sorry to say this, but let's move on. I myself tried very hard to save VMK in its last months, as many did. We all didn't expect Disney to maintain VMK, in fact, we all knew that was never going to happen. But guess what happened? Disney heard our small voice. That's a victory in itself. That victory taught kids like me that a small voice CAN be heard when other small voices speak with it. Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that we already made the biggest impact that we can make and that trying any harder is just a waste. As many others have been saying, let's look at the demise of VMK as a new beginning. We can apply the life lessons learned from VMK to our real lives that have now become more open. Summer is approaching. Instead of continuing to harrass Disney to do something that they simply will not do, let's enjoy our summer with the memories of VMK in our hearts. We shook Disney as hard as we could, and that is enough for me.

Most of what you wrote was a brilliant insight of what happened. Only a few ares do we part ways on. We can still continue making an impact by letting them know we have not, nor will we, forget the way they treated us. By keeping up the efforts we stay on their minds in that, we still miss our game, and we expect a better result in future online games. There is no saying as to what Disney will or will not do..
Let's just hope because of our voices, the future has us in mind.

What a pessimistic response.

VMK may be gone for now, but we can still resurrect it. When people put up a fight, something happens. Even is that something is small, it's still something. VMK is gone, but are the petitions gone? Are we as humans gone?

I don't care if I'm the only person left fighting, I have a cause. We being angry consumers, Disney will respond sometime. One person made it many times in history... so who are you to tell us that 20,000+ people can't?

Spot, your signature disappoints me. Many people cried for VMK. Grown men cried for VMK. They lost many friends. They lost masterpieces of rooms. They lost items that they worked hard for, and truly came to love. Why don't you get over the fact that some people are upset?

I have heard of Disney giving EXIT passes (similar to VIP passes, no waiting in any ride queue for the day) to very angry customers, but that only happens if the person has to wait for 2 hours for a sandwich or something like that. One angry customer can make a difference for that one person's life; 20,000 angry customers can make a difference for all of their lives.