This question I often think about. Would Walt Disney be happy with the progress made since his death in 1966? The Theme Parks, movies, games, merchandise... just about everything Disney owned. Would he honestly be happy? How would things be different? Personally, I adore Disney and all... but I believe if Walt Disney was still around, things would be much more 'magical' as he would probably say. He's certainly someone I would've paid to meet. Although, did Disney really care about money as much as people's happiness and joy? That's another thing that makes me believe Disney as we know it today would be much more different. Have any of you wondered the same? How do you think everything Disney would be different today?

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Well I'm not sure...I don't know much about Walt, so I dunno if he was a money-loving scrooge or a very generous man. One thing for sure though is that he would be very proud that Disney is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) and most well known company(ies) on Earth.

Walt Disney would be delighted to hear that his theme park had such success. I think there'd be many more classical attractions then there is today.

I would have to say that he would NOT be happy. Although he would enjoy that his dream had become a success, Disney is currently not livining up to its name. Walt always wanted Tomorrowand to be up-to-date and always changing for the not so distant future. Disney is not keeping its staff as bright and happy as they once were. Also, it is becoming a pain at points to find staff members.

Walt Disney would be delighted to hear that his theme park had such success. I think there'd be many more classical attractions then there is today.

You took the words right out of my mouth :)

Hmm, I suppose Disney would be happy with all this success.. but, something just tells me he'd be quite upset with quite a few things. By the way Flea, I'm pretty sure Walt wasn't a money-loving scrooge, lol ;).

He would be happy because disney is still running and it's making everyone happy!

He would be happy because disney is still running and it's making everyone happy!

It's not making everyone happy. People like some shows, but it's just being used to make money, that's not what I like about it, and that's why I'm not happy with Disney right now.

It's not making everyone happy. People like some shows, but it's just being used to make money, that's not what I like about it, and that's why I'm not happy with Disney right now.That's more what I was thinking.

I think Walk disney would be very happy how his parks have had so much sucess over the years since his death.

It's not making everyone happy. People like some shows, but it's just being used to make money, that's not what I like about it, and that's why I'm not happy with Disney right now.


I think Walt Disney would have been very happy to see something he started that was extremely close to bankrupt many times become the multi-billion dollar industry it is today. It is still making people happy regardless of anyones objectives that we really don't know for sure. I would have to say, based on the world today, Disney is high above everyone else for customer satisfaction so I doubt it is only in it for the money. If they didn't do some stuff for money, then they would lose lots of money which could effect the company greatly.

Walt would be happy about some things, but I feel certain he would be very upset about a lot of things.
Take the lack of human drawn animation. Walt was all for progress and Pixar does a fine job, but Walt was a cartoonist first. He wouldn't like the animation department being put in moth balls.
And then there's customer satisfaction. While so many of us adore Disney Parks and go back over and over, over the years the overall satisfaction with the experience has declined. Walt was all for making the guests hapopy first and making the money second. If you make the people happy, you make the money.
I think he wouldn't be that happy with Epcot either. I like it a lot, but it's not what he had in mind. And don't get me started on California Adventure.
They had better hope no one ever thaws Walt out. He'd have a lot to say and I don't think it would be praise.

Well I'm not sure...I don't know much about Walt, so I dunno if he was a money-loving scrooge or a very generous man. One thing for sure though is that he would be very proud that Disney is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) and most well known company(ies) on Earth.

It's like Second or Third. First is Coca-Cola.



I personally think that he would be upset with the way that ABC has gone. He would be relatively proud of PotC, but wouldn't really approve of all the violence and adult innuendos.

He'd love what Disney Channel has done, but he wouldn't like the way that they did it (rude humor and oft-gross jokes).

He would not like how close ABC, Miramax and Touchstone have gotten to the main brand. You can buy Desperate Housewives games at the toy store in Downtown Disney WDW, and Nightmare Before Christmas stuff is everywhere.

So... he'd be moderately proud.

I am happy with what we have. We have increased in Disney, in almost every standard. Though we've had some rough patches, and they are leaning toward merchandise, you cannot blame them very much. To keep a company running is to sell products. Some of them are helpful, or just fun. Board games, radios shaped like Mickey Mouse, all those sorts of things. We cannot dig into a mind of Walt Disney, that is all I must say.
Disney has gained steps in the years that it has been opened. I am proud of them for that very reason. Costumers like me are happy. Some are not, but the goal is to make a higher percentage happy, and they are doing that easily. I am glad Disney has grown to these standards, and they will keep going higher and higher. Disney has set standards that no other company has, and I am extremely enjoyed with that.
Walt Disney, in my opinion, would be proud.

I think that he wouldn't be too happy. He'd be happy about how much success he's had...but sad at HOW they achieved all that.

Just my 2 cents.

Disney has gone a long way... that's true. Although, I'm agreeing with the EPCOT comment Peggo made. Walt had a pretty big idea for it, a constant future community... EPCOT really isn't that way today, but they're sort of trying. Also, I don't think Walt would even have more than half the shows on Disney Channel now. I'm not saying I don't like some of them that I'm thinking of, it just doesn't seem like it would've been Walt's style.

It's like Second or Third. First is Coca-Cola.



I personally think that he would be upset with the way that ABC has gone. He would be relatively proud of PotC, but wouldn't really approve of all the violence and adult innuendos.

He'd love what Disney Channel has done, but he wouldn't like the way that they did it (rude humor and oft-gross jokes).

He would not like how close ABC, Miramax and Touchstone have gotten to the main brand. You can buy Desperate Housewives games at the toy store in Downtown Disney WDW, and Nightmare Before Christmas stuff is everywhere.

So... he'd be moderately proud.



I think Disney is the first just think it disney is everywhere i think is somewhat tied with coca-cola bc is two types coca-cola is sodas and disney well its mechandies movies parks entertainment and so much more.

Of Course he would be Happy this Was his Dream And it All Came true Wouldn't anyone be Happy If their Dream Came True?

I think that Walt, would be into Disney for the happiness and stuff, and I think he would do whatever it takes to make people happy. Weather it'd be going 2 billion dollars over debt building a new theme park. I think he was in it for the people. To me now the people that run Disney, do it for the money. But I think the Imagineers, that build and design the rides do it for the people too. Not so much the money.

Of Course he would be Happy this Was his Dream And it All Came true Wouldn't anyone be Happy If their Dream Came True?Yea, but did his dream come true (and continue to stay true) the way he always spoke of?

I think that Walt, would be into Disney for the happiness and stuff, and I think he would do whatever it takes to make people happy. Weather it'd be going 2 billion dollars over debt building a new theme park. I think he was in it for the people. To me now the people that run Disney, do it for the money. But I think the Imagineers, that build and design the rides do it for the people too. Not so much the money. I believe that. ;)

I agree. Walt would be happy with the sucess his park has made, but I'm not sure he'd be happy with what was going on at some points.

I think that he wouldn't be too happy. He'd be happy about how much success he's had...but sad at HOW they achieved all that.

Just my 2 cents.

This comment I would have to agree with. It seems like everything now is for the money - which would take away from the "for the people" parts of Disney.

I think Disney is the first just think it disney is everywhere i think is somewhat tied with coca-cola bc is two types coca-cola is sodas and disney well its mechandies movies parks entertainment and so much more.

iImagine is correct. Coca-Cola is the most world-wide known term, and the most well known of companies. I'm not sure where The Disney Company stands on the charts, but it isn't as widely known as Coca-Cola.

I agree. Walt would be happy with the sucess his park has made, but I'm not sure he'd be happy with what was going on at some points.

i feel the same here. theme park success...happy, movie success...happy, budget...happy, TV show..content/unhappy, ect. it goes on

This comment I would have to agree with. It seems like everything now is for the money - which would take away from the "for the people" parts of Disney.



iImagine is correct. Coca-Cola is the most world-wide known term, and the most well known of companies. I'm not sure where The Disney Company stands on the charts, but it isn't as widely known as Coca-Cola.

Money cant buy everything and Walt Disney Company is the third largest media and entertainment corporation in the world, after Time Warner and News Corporation and is way more known than Coca-Cola.

McDonald's and Coca-Cola usually top the list for most recognizable companies around the world. Disney is up there, but not the top. Food products commonly outrank entertainment.

I don't believe Walt would be very happy at all with a lot of the company's decisions. But then, if he were still alive, things would be quite different.

I think he would be very pleased with Pixar, and their innovative storytelling. But things like DCA and the Ducks (though no longer Disney) would not be choices he would have made.

I would have loved to meet Walt. He always loved to do the impossible even when everyone said he couldn't. Walt smiled in almost all the pictures I have seen him in, so I dont think he was a scrooge. Before walt died he made his own dream come true for himself, not for anyone else, but to show himself that he could do it.
Now I dont think walt would be very happy that disney isn't owned by the disney family anymore or how the main idea of disney is getting lost more and more each year. I know he would be proud that everyone who goes to a disney park or anything disney that they have a huge smile on their face. ( I love to see little kids the first time they go to disney ) Now that disney has left us and has had his dream come true before he dided, dont you think we should worry about the current owner of disney to have their dream come true?

Of Course he would be Happy this Was his Dream And it All Came true Wouldn't anyone be Happy If their Dream Came True?

This isn't exactly his dream. Walt noticed that alot of amusment parks were dangerous and not very good. His dream was mostly to make a theme park that would be good for everyone. POTC? Not exactly good for little kids.The ride is fine, but the movies aren't the greatest. (btw, I'm not saying the movies aren't good. I'm just saying they aren't really "family movies") Plus there are rides that are only good for little kids.
Also, like some people said earlier, Disney seems more about making money instead of making people happy. Walt would not like this.

Were some comments deleted on here? There was one I wanted to reply to yesterday, but I couldn't, and now I can't find it anymore. :l

I think he'd be happy with the success and the parks. :D He'd probably want some more hand-drawn/traditionally animated (which one?) work done, but I think he'd like Pixar. But didn't they stop with hand-drawn stuff, anyways?
He'd probably wouldn't like how greedy the company has gotten, though. :l All Disney does is try to make money (well that's what every company is supposed to do, but I think Walt also did it to make people happy).
Like with all those sequels like "Cinderella III" or whatever. :l She was supposed to live "Happily ever after." Well, of course the Disney sequels are gonna make money though, cause younger children like that stuff.

Rawr I wished Walt lived long enough to at least see the release of The Jungle Book. :D I wonder how different it would have been if he was there. Disney was an awesome man :D He's what got me into animation.

I think he's probably be half happy and half disapointed. He's be happy because his park is a very good business and it's pretty successful! Tons of people have fun there. He's probably be disapointed though, because he probably meant Disney to be about the mouse. Just look at Disney Channel- barely any mouse anymore, and probably the people in the park care about the rides more than the characters who try to get your spirits up.

He wouldn't be happy. They changed Pirates, and that was the last ride he built. AND his favorite!

I'm pretty sure if he were still here, HSM wouldn't have EVER been created.

Well if you've seen one mans dream there is a little window with a kingdom hearts demo and a little screen saver of VMK,
And it said he very interested in technology,
I'm sure he would be happy, as long as all the visitors of Disney, and users of disney at home are happy he would be happy that was his goal to make people happy sure somethings may have never come out like National treasur HSM.

Well if you knew walts dream- it was to create an amusement park thats kids to go to- meaning for it to be cheap.

NO, walt would not be happy

Sagal, just because one ride was changed slightly yous think he would be upset?
awesomered, why wouldn't national treasure have come out?
cooljamz, there are ways to go to the disney parks cheap, you just have to do alot of research.

walt had his dream come true before he died, after he died it was his brother's turn for his dream to come true and so on. I think we should focus on that the new owner of disney gets there dream come true even if there not related to the disney family.

He wouldn't be happy with HSM.

Well if you knew walts dream- it was to create an amusement park thats kids to go to- meaning for it to be cheap.

NO, walt would not be happy

I just wanted to mention that Walt wanted a theme park not an amusment park. Thats one of the things that made WDW stand out because it was not an amusment park like the other ones near by. Also, he didn't care much for the price. He mostly cared about making people happy. But I agree, he would NOT be happy.

Sagal, just because one ride was changed slightly yous think he would be upset?
awesomered, why wouldn't national treasure have come out?
cooljamz, there are ways to go to the disney parks cheap, you just have to do alot of research.

walt had his dream come true before he died, after he died it was his brother's turn for his dream to come true and so on. I think we should focus on that the new owner of disney gets there dream come true even if there not related to the disney family.The new owner of Disney's dream? Money from what I see and they're getting it at every chance they get.

Lol if u want to KNOW if Walt Disney would be happy with Disney right now you should do some research about his life Here's a book that tells you plenty about him :A rare tour through Disney's world an empire of power and vengeance Walt Disney hollywood's dark prince By Marc Eliot . Now if u read that book u'll find some things about him like how he's italian and There's a conspiracy about whether he actually drew the first mickey mouse.
Since walt's dead we can only form conclusions of what he would or wouldn't be pleased with. I think Walt would be pleased but never stop improving the parks =]
what do u mean ? All the rides are THEMED thus it is a THEME park , welll im speaking for WDW idk about DLR.. ,
Hey you got to keep the money flowing to pay for the workers , rides , funding for imagineers ,maitenence(SP?) . It would be IMPOSSIBLE to have a theme park without money flowing,also walt got to see DLR open so he must have approved money coming in LOL ,
disney is still making dreams come true daily , don't u know they pick a lucky family daily to stay in the special castle suite? Can't make everyones dreams come true at the same time

The new owner of Disney's dream? Money from what I see and they're getting it at every chance they get.

You would now this how? Do they mention the current owner to often? do you know the current owner? So you think that everyone but the current owner of disney should have there dreams come true? You do know how many people work for disney not to mention how much they had to pay zac for the next HSM I am sure they need the money.

You would now this how? Do they mention the current owner to often? do you know the current owner? So you think that everyone but the current owner of disney should have there dreams come true? You do know how many people work for disney not to mention how much they had to pay zac for the next HSM I am sure they need the money.There isn't one owner of the Disney company itself. No, I don't personally know any of them. I never said anything about their dreams that should or shouldn't be coming true. Simply with all the higher prices and tons of services they've opened and offered for Disney to get money, it seems that way. Also, HSM was completely milked for all its worth and still going.

Well if you owned disney wouldn't you milk hsm? thats like saying you have a race horse who is the fastest in the world and not racing it.

Well if you owned disney wouldn't you milk hsm? thats like saying you have a race horse who is the fastest in the world and not racing it.Not really, I understand things get old. I'd rather try and make other entertaining movies and shows.

They have minutemen, cheetah girls three, johny Kapahala, twitches two, national treausre 2, jump in, cheetah girls two, wizards of waverly place, phineas and ferb, and son on. HSM isn't really old its people are tired of the obsessed fans who buy everything with the hsm logo on it.

I think that if Walt was still alive, Things would be MUCH different, The theme parks, Wouldnt be so expensive. Walt didnt want money, he wanted happiness and Joy and of course Magic!

~Mood

They have minutemen, cheetah girls three, johny Kapahala, twitches two, national treausre 2, jump in, cheetah girls two, wizards of waverly place, phineas and ferb, and son on. HSM isn't really old its people are tired of the obsessed fans who buy everything with the hsm logo on it. I understand that and HSM is getting kind of old for some and not for others. I'm just tired of how much HSM stuff they have but.. well, some people enjoy it obsessively. I'll respect that.

I think that if Walt was still alive, Things would be MUCH different, The theme parks, Wouldnt be so expensive. Walt didnt want money, he wanted happiness and Joy and of course Magic!

~Mood

Agreed ^.^

Actually there are ways to make the disney park cheaper, you just need to research alot. how does everyone know that walt didn't love money?

Actually there are ways to make the disney park cheaper, you just need to research alot. how does everyone know that walt didn't love money?True, but for those who don't know how to save their money, it's pricey. Also, take Walt's quote into thought: "I have little respect for money as such; I regard it merely as a medium for financing new ideas. I neither wish nor intend to amass a personal fortune." His work done in the past and beliefs are enough to understand he perfered customer satisfaction over money.

my aunt and uncle thought it was really pricey until they found a really good deal.

my aunt and uncle thought it was really pricey until they found a really good deal. Exactly. Until they found a good deal.

well a good deal is by internet

Yea I dont get the point.

Yea I dont get the point.It was pricey until they found a good deal. Not everyone can find a good deal, therefore Disney isn't cheap to those who don't have a deal. Then again, that just depends on the person. Disney itself is a pretty pricey company, though.

would he be happy? no, i don't think so. i think Walt Disney would be satisfied, but not happy with where it has gone. i think they've made too many you know, like, wannabe Disney movies. HSM for example. i highly, highly doubt Walt would ever think of that, like almost in a bad way. it just doesn't exactly seem like a Disney movie. like Comic said, it should be a lot more magical. it would make a lot more sense. we all know that's what Walt was obviously aiming for when he created it.

suu, yeah. those are my thoughts.

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would he be happy? no, i don't think so. i think Walt Disney would be satisfied, but not happy with where it has gone. i think they've made too many you know, like, wannabe Disney movies. HSM for example. i highly, highly doubt Walt would ever think of that, like almost in a bad way. it just doesn't exactly seem like a Disney movie. like Comic said, it should be a lot more magical. it would make a lot more sense. we all know that's what Walt was obviously aiming for when he created it.

suu, yeah. those are my thoughts.

&&HorseTrue, HSM probably wouldn't exist. Then again, we'll never know. I'm certain things would be more magical =/

I think things would be much different. I remember reading a speech of his, saying he didn't want to make sequels, let alone "trequels" *cough HSM3 cough Cheetah Girls 3 cough*. But maybe he would milk it.. who knows.

I hope we all dont lose sight of one thing that is was all started by a mouse.

would he be happy? no, i don't think so. i think Walt Disney would be satisfied, but not happy with where it has gone. i think they've made too many you know, like, wannabe Disney movies. HSM for example. i highly, highly doubt Walt would ever think of that, like almost in a bad way. it just doesn't exactly seem like a Disney movie. like Comic said, it should be a lot more magical. it would make a lot more sense. we all know that's what Walt was obviously aiming for when he created it.

suu, yeah. those are my thoughts.

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If you think about it HSM is magical, the chances in real life of that happening is slim to none. I think walt may have been for hsm because he would know eventually he would have to change for the future.

EtnaGreen i think you are biased towards HSM

EtnaGreen i think you are biased towards HSM

Well she is but Walt would have been happy about other stuff too.

I think Walt would like some things about HSM, but not everything. To me it doesn't seem like his style. Then again, that's my preception.

I think Walt would most certainly be happy. His goal by creating the Walt Disney Company was to make people happy. Not just kids, not just adults. Families. He wanted to create theme parks where FAMILIES could go and enjoy themselves, with something for everyone. I'd say that the Disney workers today have pretty much acheived that.

Why does it matter about High School Musical? It's a movie series. Big whoop. There's no HSM company. It's just a movie that was a big phenomenon. If you think about it, they milk the Disney Princesses, how does Troy or Sharpay make it any different from the princesses? Little girls walk around the park in Cinderella dresses, so they'll be walking in Red Gabriella dresses now. They're happy!

The key word here is HAPPINESS. Walt would be proud.

I was say he would be both, we need more classical attractions back:)

EtnaGreen i think you are biased towards HSM

If you mean I strongly dislike HSM and giving it a chance, then yep. :)

We need more of the classic attractions, most of the ones we did have they got rid of or changed. I would gladly get rid of the pooh bear ride at WDW and get Mr.toad's wild ride back. I only road on Mr.toads once and it was first time I went to WDW, but I am sure it was better than pooh bear.

If you mean I strongly dislike HSM and giving it a chance, then yep. :)

We need more of the classic attractions, most of the ones we did have they got rid of or changed. I would gladly get rid of the pooh bear ride at WDW and get Mr.toad's wild ride back. I only road on Mr.toads once and it was first time I went to WDW, but I am sure it was better than pooh bear.

There is something alot of you aren't getting. First of all, you need money to keep a company.

They aren't "milking" HSM. Walt Disney's dream was to make people happy right? Well Disney is making alot of people happy by making more of what people like. They aren't going to replace the many adventures of Winny the Pooh because its popular. Get it? Its impossible to statisfy everyones needs so it is best to statisfy as many people as you can. Since more people like HSM, (rather than the other way around) it makes more sense to make HSM3 than end it with two. Because of the stars age, if HSM3 doesn't end it, HSM4 will.

Does that make sense?

There is something alot of you aren't getting. First of all, you need money to keep a company.

They aren't "milking" HSM. Walt Disney's dream was to make people happy right? Well Disney is making alot of people happy by making more of what people like. They aren't going to replace the many adventures of Winny the Pooh because its popular. Get it? Its impossible to statisfy everyones needs so it is best to statisfy as many people as you can. Since more people like HSM, (rather than the other way around) it makes more sense to make HSM3 than end it with two. Because of the stars age, if HSM3 doesn't end it, HSM4 will.

Does that make sense?You prove a point and I understand that. As much as you may need money, Disney lately seems mostly about getting money. Personally, I think they are milking HSM because it's been constant programs and shows and different versions of the movies with all these pop-up sing-alongs and all. Then people want to buy this expanse of merchandise that has the HSM logo on it. I don't pay much attention to it and I'm glad it's making people happy. I didn't make this thread to rant on HSM, this thread isn't even to rant... Can we please focus back on the main question :)?



EtnaGreen i think you are biased towards HSMIf you mean I strongly dislike HSM and giving it a chance, then yep. :)

By the way, jamiewe means you basically keep on mentioning HSM.

i have read about 10 biography's about Walt Disney, so i have an idea of what he likes and doesn't like. I do believe if Walt was still alive things would be different, and i also think that if he saw what was going on he would dislike things. One thing i KNOW he would hate is the Cinderella series. He hated sequeals, and Cinderella was one of his greatest creations. If he saw that they made three he probably would be upset. He would also be upset about a few other things, but im not going to list them all.
LOL i agree though, i would pay a lot to meet him :]]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Read the wiki Biography on Walt Disney

Lol if u want to KNOW if Walt Disney would be happy with Disney right now you should do some research about his life Here's a book that tells you plenty about him :A rare tour through Disney's world an empire of power and vengeance Walt Disney hollywood's dark prince By Marc Eliot . Now if u read that book u'll find some things about him like how he's italian and There's a conspiracy about whether he actually drew the first mickey mouse.
Actually, Walt's not Italian. His father's side was from Ireland, and his mother's side can be traced back to around 1650 in Massachusettes.

And while he drew the first Mickey Mouse, he didn't animate him. That was Ub Iwerks. Walt was not talented as an animator. He was an idea man.

Since walt's dead we can only form conclusions of what he would or wouldn't be pleased with. I think Walt would be pleased but never stop improving the parks =]
Well, actually we do know what Walt would be pleased with. He spoke of it often. Families. Entertainment. Innovation.

what do u mean ? All the rides are THEMED thus it is a THEME park , welll im speaking for WDW idk about DLR.. ,
The THEME part comes from the lands being themed, not the rides themselves.

Hey you got to keep the money flowing to pay for the workers , rides , funding for imagineers ,maitenence(SP?) . It would be IMPOSSIBLE to have a theme park without money flowing,also walt got to see DLR open so he must have approved money coming in LOL ,

Actually there are ways to make the disney park cheaper, you just need to research alot. how does everyone know that walt didn't love money?
Just because money flowed in doesn't mean that's all he cared about. Money allowed him to build the things he wanted, to further his dream. His brother Roy was the financial genius. Without Roy, Walt never could have gotten the funding to make Disneyland in the first place.

There is something alot of you aren't getting. First of all, you need money to keep a company.

They aren't "milking" HSM. Walt Disney's dream was to make people happy right? Well Disney is making alot of people happy by making more of what people like. They aren't going to replace the many adventures of Winny the Pooh because its popular. Get it? Its impossible to statisfy everyones needs so it is best to statisfy as many people as you can. Since more people like HSM, (rather than the other way around) it makes more sense to make HSM3 than end it with two. Because of the stars age, if HSM3 doesn't end it, HSM4 will.

Does that make sense?

Yes I did say earlier I didn't have anything against disney for HSM because it did make them money. as for toads wild ride, wasn't that popular?? Oh and they can't make a HSM 4 because they wont be in highschool. ;)

Yes I did say earlier I didn't have anything against disney for HSM because it did make them money. as for toads wild ride, wasn't that popular?? Oh and they can't make a HSM 4 because they wont be in highschool. ;)

Well, the Pooh Bear ride has a wait of like 30 min. at the least everytime I go there unless its during a parade of fireworks. Plus, they still have the ride at DLR. The pooh bear ride is one of the most popular rides at WDW.

Oh, and as for HSM4, you never know... I didn't think there was going to be HSM3, and yet there is.

Well if you knew walts dream- it was to create an amusement park thats kids to go to- meaning for it to be cheap.

NO, walt would not be happy



No where in any published works did Walt ever state cheap, his goal was family oriented, which is not the same. As the innovator of the theme park, he found amusement parks dirty and dangerous places, and instead wanted a place like Tivoli Gardens in Denmark.

DR

I think Disney is the first just think it disney is everywhere i think is somewhat tied with coca-cola bc is two types coca-cola is sodas and disney well its mechandies movies parks entertainment and so much more.

Check this out:
According to BusinessWeek Online from the top 100 Brands:

1 Coca-Cola U.S.
2 Microsoft U.S.
3 IBM U.S.
4 GE U.S.
5 Intel U.S.
6 Nokia Finland
7 Toyota Japan
8 Disney U.S.
9 McDonald’s U.S.
10 Mercedes-Benz Germany

Well, the Pooh Bear ride has a wait of like 30 min. at the least everytime I go there unless its during a parade of fireworks. Plus, they still have the ride at DLR. The pooh bear ride is one of the most popular rides at WDW.

Oh, and as for HSM4, you never know... I didn't think there was going to be HSM3, and yet there is.

No I mean they can't have a high school musical 4 because they wont be in high shcool anymore.

Actually, Walt's not Italian. His father's side was from Ireland, and his mother's side can be traced back to around 1650 in Massachusettes.

And while he drew the first Mickey Mouse, he didn't animate him. That was Ub Iwerks. Walt was not talented as an animator. He was an idea man.


Well, actually we do know what Walt would be pleased with. He spoke of it often. Families. Entertainment. Innovation.


The THEME part comes from the lands being themed, not the rides themselves.




Just because money flowed in doesn't mean that's all he cared about. Money allowed him to build the things he wanted, to further his dream. His brother Roy was the financial genius. Without Roy, Walt never could have gotten the funding to make Disneyland in the first place.These are some pretty interesting things to know, I didn't know how far back his family could be traced... :smiley22:

Intel? Really? How does BusinessWeek Online determine this list?

Bump :)!

Anyone able to answer Neoteny's question? (I'm not a business savvy person, lol.)

Although, are there any other comments on the main question? I love to hear everyone's thoughts and ideas ^.^

I think he would. Here I am going to use a quote of someone from he 50th anniversary, of which who's name i cannot remember

"The other day, I said to a friend 'Do you think Walt would be happy if he could see Disneyland today?' and he replied 'He did see it. Otherwise it wouldn't be here'"




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Would Walt Disney be happy with the Disney company today?

Disney was a visionary, always coming up with something new and original, always thinking of the future and planning something exciting and different.

I think he'd certainly approve of the Disney Cruise Line and Adventures by Disney. Those are exactly the sorts of programs which he would have developed.

I think he would be disappointed with the emphasis on sequels, especially to the classic films. There's nothing original about Bambi II or Return to Neverland, and Disney was all about originality, not repetition. I do think he would have liked Fantasia 2000, though.

I think he would be pleased with Pixar and the other original animated features, which, for the most part, have kept up in the spirit of his classic films. I also think he would be happy with much of the live-action product released by the studio, even including the various remakes such as The Shaggy Dog and Flubber.

I think he would be pleased to see the expansion of Disney parks around the world, allowing many more people the opportunity to experience his vision of Disneyland. I think he'd be especially proud of Disney's Animal Kingdom, and I even think he'd like Disney's California Adventure, as it's the kind of theme he would have enjoyed (though he'd probably, and justifiably, be disappointed in its reception).

I think he'd be happy with Disney's Broadway shows, as they take the classic ideas in a new direction.

As for Disney's television presence, well, it's true that Suite Life and High School Musical would not have been made in the '50s, but times have changed, and Walt Disney would have recognized that and given the audience what they want. Let's face it, today's kids just wouldn't be satisfied with The Adventures of Spin and Marty and Davy Crockett (though my own kids have been enjoying the classic "Treasures" and "Legacy" DVDs). Walt would certainly be ahead of the curve, though, and not merely copying other sitcoms.

What I really would like to have been able to see is what Walt would have done with his Florida Project. Yes, I love Walt Disney World as it is, but Walt had an amazing and revolutionary vision for EPCOT, and we can only wonder how that might have developed. He could have changed the world (again).

I think he would have changed the world again, with EPCOT. It's one of the biggest tragedies of the Walt Disney Company, right up there with WestCOT. Although I think that WestCOT is more of a tragedy.

Hmm.. well in terms of how popular his dream is now I would think he would be happy. But I'm not sure if the Disney now.. is his dream. So I'm not sure if he would be happy or not.

Disney is supposed to bring out the kid in all of us, as I listen to the music, classical Disney animated movie soundtracks really brings out the kid in me. The new stuff - eh not so much.

In honor of the 25th Anniversary of Disney, Brian McKnight sang the song Remember the Magic...where has it gone?

Wasn't that just WDW's 25 anniversary? The older 90's soundtracks bring out the kid in you because they remind you of the time when you were a kid, Slamina. All Disney music reminds me of being a kid because I was a little kid when the animated stuff came out and I'm still a kid now with HSM and POTC running the show.

What I really would like to have been able to see is what Walt would have done with his Florida Project. Yes, I love Walt Disney World as it is, but Walt had an amazing and revolutionary vision for EPCOT, and we can only wonder how that might have developed. He could have changed the world (again).

I think he would have changed the world again, with EPCOT. It's one of the biggest tragedies of the Walt Disney Company, right up there with WestCOT. Although I think that WestCOT is more of a tragedy.

I was pretty curious about Walt's ideas of EPCOT but my curiosity is only expanding with that. I really wish I knew what he would've done with EPCOT, too. It REALLY makes me sad to know he died before he got a chance to really do much. :sadd2:

Wasn't that just WDW's 25 anniversary? The older 90's soundtracks bring out the kid in you because they remind you of the time when you were a kid, Slamina. All Disney music reminds me of being a kid because I was a little kid when the animated stuff came out and I'm still a kid now with HSM and POTC running the show.

eh - I know this but HSM and POTC are more mature if you think about it.

Oh and the first time I heard that song was November of last year.

I was pretty curious about Walt's ideas of EPCOT but my curiosity is only expanding with that. I really wish I knew what he would've done with EPCOT, too. It REALLY makes me sad to know he died before he got a chance to really do much. :sadd2:


Wait, wasn't the model on transit authority walts plan for Epcot?

I dont think he'd be happy...at all. He's probably rolling in his grave right now lol. I'm about to get really instense cause I've tossed this question around in my head all the time. So no Walt probably would be thouroughly disappointed with what it is. Walt built this company with hand made genuine magic. Evetything is computerized and just so fake now a days. Disney has pulled out of the cell art movie production (Last movie i was believed to be brother bear released on big screen and if anyone could find the actual announcement that'd be awesome). Disney is taking some of their most classic and cherished rides and smashing them into peices. EPCOT is probably the biggest example of the fall of Disney. Don't get me wrong I love EPCOT but I believe the city of tomorrow would have actually been here today if walt was still around. How amazing would that be. And since Eisner Disney has become a corporation run by the "man" not an employee shared magic filled work space ruled by a man with milions of amazing visions and will do anyting to make those vision come real. I could go on and on this is probabaly the worst and most brief way to put it but to answer your question I think Walt might be digusted. Oh and don't get me wrong Disney is still an amazing place and has come up with many astonishing things. Take VMK for example, but yeah you get the drift.

I dont think he'd be happy...at all. He's probably rolling in his grave right now lol. I'm about to get really instense cause I've tossed this question around in my head all the time. So no Walt probably would be thouroughly disappointed with what it is. Walt built this company with hand made genuine magic. Evetything is computerized and just so fake now a days. Disney has pulled out of the cell art movie production (Last movie i was believed to be brother bear released on big screen and if anyone could find the actual announcement that'd be awesome). Disney is taking some of their most classic and cherished rides and smashing them into peices. EPCOT is probably the biggest example of the fall of Disney. Don't get me wrong I love EPCOT but I believe the city of tomorrow would have actually been here today if walt was still around. How amazing would that be. And since Eisner Disney has become a corporation run by the "man" not an employee shared magic filled work space ruled by a man with milions of amazing visions and will do anyting to make those vision come real. I could go on and on this is probabaly the worst and most brief way to put it but to answer your question I think Walt might be digusted. Oh and don't get me wrong Disney is still an amazing place and has come up with many astonishing things. Take VMK for example, but yeah you get the drift.

No, Eisner Disney still had a bit of the magic... the real problem has been Iger Disney.

The last 2-D animated Disney film was Home On The Range, which was the last of a short series of huge financial failure 2-D films. Brother Bear and Lilo&Stitch gave the Disney company hope for the future, but when HotH bombed, they bought Pixar and focused on 3-D.

No, Eisner Disney still had a bit of the magic... the real problem has been Iger Disney.

The last 2-D animated Disney film was Home On The Range, which was the last of a short series of huge financial failure 2-D films. Brother Bear and Lilo&Stitch gave the Disney company hope for the future, but when HotH bombed, they bought Pixar and focused on 3-D.

And since then, what have we seen? Chicken Little and Meet the Robinsons. Thank goodness for Pixar!

Wait, wasn't the model on transit authority walts plan for Epcot?What do you mean?

I dont think he'd be happy...at all. He's probably rolling in his grave right now lol. I'm about to get really instense cause I've tossed this question around in my head all the time. So no Walt probably would be thouroughly disappointed with what it is. Walt built this company with hand made genuine magic. Evetything is computerized and just so fake now a days. Disney has pulled out of the cell art movie production (Last movie i was believed to be brother bear released on big screen and if anyone could find the actual announcement that'd be awesome). Disney is taking some of their most classic and cherished rides and smashing them into peices. EPCOT is probably the biggest example of the fall of Disney. Don't get me wrong I love EPCOT but I believe the city of tomorrow would have actually been here today if walt was still around. How amazing would that be. And since Eisner Disney has become a corporation run by the "man" not an employee shared magic filled work space ruled by a man with milions of amazing visions and will do anyting to make those vision come real. I could go on and on this is probabaly the worst and most brief way to put it but to answer your question I think Walt might be digusted. Oh and don't get me wrong Disney is still an amazing place and has come up with many astonishing things. Take VMK for example, but yeah you get the drift.I totally get your drift, lol. I adore Disney and all, but yea...

And since then, what have we seen? Chicken Little and Meet the Robinsons. Thank goodness for Pixar!
I really love the movies Pixar has made, none have upset me so far. :)

And since then, what have we seen? Chicken Little and Meet the Robinsons. Thank goodness for Pixar!

Meet the Robinsons wasn't terrible...

But I agree with you.

What do you mean?

I totally get your drift, lol. I adore Disney and all, but yea...


I really love the movies Pixar has made, none have upset me so far. :)

On transit authoridy at WDW when you are about to go through the buzz light year ride you see a model that walt came up with, wasn't that a model for epcot or am i mistaken?

On transit authoridy at WDW when you are about to go through the buzz light year ride you see a model that walt came up with, wasn't that a model for epcot or am i mistaken?

The city model is EPCOT, yes, but it's way before you enter Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin. I think that you may have confused Space Mountain with BL'sSRS.

oh sorry, so it was walt's? If so why didn't they use his designs? It would have been alot easier if he left is brother a book with all of his ideas in his will.

I'm sure Walt didn't know he was going to die, lol. I'm not sure that model is all he had in store for EPCOT.

Well most people know they are going to die soon or later, I still think he should have left a book full of all of his new ideas to his brother in his will just in case. I wonder if he did..

I have never met anyone who was truly happy with every single thing in their lives, and I'm sure that Walt Disney is no different. Some things, yes, he may be pleased. But there is, and will, always be something that isn't what he would want it to be.

Well most people know they are going to die soon or later, I still think he should have left a book full of all of his new ideas to his brother in his will just in case. I wonder if he did..

Roy knew almost exactly what Walt wanted. What he didn't know was how to make it happen.

Meet the Robinsons wasn't terrible...

But I agree with you.
Actually, I liked both Meet the Robinsons and Chicken Little. But they're hardly in the same league as Sleeping Beauty. The Pixar films, on the other hand, rightly deserve the label, "Classic."

Roy knew almost exactly what Walt wanted. What he didn't know was how to make it happen.

I guess that is what imagineers are for.

I guess that is what imagineers are for.

Except they didn't know what Walt wanted xD

And roy couldn't tell them? Now I am confused.

Roy died already, we're talking about today's Imagineers.

And roy couldn't tell them? Now I am confused.
Well, he didn't feel that it was his place. He was afraid he'd mess up the plans. So he played it safe.
Roy died already, we're talking about today's Imagineers.
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So why didn't Roy try to hire people to help him otherwise known as imagineers? If I sound stupid I am sorry.

Well, he didn't feel that it was his place. He was afraid he'd mess up the plans. So he played it safe.

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So why didn't Roy try to hire people to help him otherwise known as imagineers? If I sound stupid I am sorry.I meant that since Roy is gone, the things he knew Walt wanted couldn't be told to the Imagineers of today the same way. Didn't he have Imagineers then? I don't know myself, lol.

So why didn't Roy try to hire people to help him otherwise known as imagineers? If I sound stupid I am sorry.

I meant that since Roy is gone, the things he knew Walt wanted couldn't be told to the Imagineers of today the same way. Didn't he have Imagineers then? I don't know myself, lol.

Walt already had the Imagineers as the members of WED Enterprises (Walter Elias Disney Enterprises). One of those too-cute thinkers (possibly the same one who put "It's A Small World" in lowercase letters) got them to be renamed Imagineers. And you're right, princess, he didn't really know what to tell the Imagineers, even though he knew what Walt wanted.

I have watched most of disneys movies, and I'd just like to say, Any movie that has come out from 1990-2008, have done a little worse then the original classics Bambi or The Lion King but they can sometimes be very well enjoyable.
The Lion King was released in 1994.

I have watched most of disneys movies, and I'd just like to say, Any movie that has come out from 1990-2008, have done a little worse then the original classics Bambi or The Lion King but they can sometimes be very well enjoyable.

I wholly disagree with this post. The Brave Little Toaster, The Black Cauldron and The Fox And The Hound were terrible. The 80's were not a good time for Disney animation.

And how could you think that The Lion King was an "Original Classic"? Sure, it's a classic, but, ^as the man says^, it was made in 1994. 28 years after Walt died.

Walt spoke countless times about his visions for the parks. There is no shortage of reference from which to work.

But choosing to follow it is a different story. Eisner wanted to make it clear that Walt was no longer in charge. So he took the parks in other directions. Pressler continued that theme.

The Imagineers can only do what they are told to by the higher ups. They don't design the parks of thier own free will. They simply do the best they can with what they are given.

I found it interesting that walt originally wanted epcot to be an actual community and you take the transit authority to work. Boy, how cool would that have been. What I don't understand about the parks today though is that they say disney isn't supposed to be a musuem, but they still have disney's desk and all his wonderful items behind class or walls so no one can enjoy them. Just look at them through glass, its a shame.

But choosing to follow it is a different story. Eisner wanted to make it clear that Walt was no longer in charge. So he took the parks in other directions. Pressler continued that theme.I didn't really know that. Wait, you make it sound as if Eisner and Pressler disliked the way Walt was going about with all these parks, what do you mean exactly?

Well, I actually think he would not be disappointed about how things are going with Disney. I mean, we will never know for sure what he wanted to do with the parks that he hasn't already pitched to his studio designers. When he was still alive, if Walt Disney didn't like what his studio designers came up with, he'd do it himself. Because sometimes they misunderstand his ideas. He designed Tom Sawyers Island as it appears today.

Well, I actually think he would not be disappointed about how things are going with Disney. I mean, we will never know for sure what he wanted to do with the parks that he hasn't already pitched to his studio designers. When he was still alive, if Walt Disney didn't like what his studio designers came up with, he'd do it himself. Because sometimes they misunderstand his ideas. He designed Tom Sawyers Island as it appears today.True, although Disney has changed quite a bit.

I am just curious why everything has to be walts's way. How do you know all his idea were going to be great, maybe the ideas of today are better? Seriously like the saying goes a million imagineers' heads are better then one.

different. Have any of you wondered the same? How do you think everything Disney would be different today?

~ ♥ PrincessKairi12

Yeah.. I've wondered this a few times, Being the Disney loving person that I am, Dreaming so much to be an Imaginear when I get a job.
I figure, He'd be happy that it's still here, and that millions of children and adults alike LOVE and HOPE to be able to come to this place, But I'm sure he'd be upset to know that to some people, It's lost it's magic.


Walt Disney would be delighted to hear that his theme park had such success. I think there'd be many more classical attractions then there is today.

More classics... I think he'd be sad to hear HOW it became a success - Money.
His motive was never money. It was always MAGIC.

I would have to say that he would NOT be happy. Although he would enjoy that his dream had become a success, Disney is currently not livining up to its name. Walt always wanted Tomorrowand to be up-to-date and always changing for the not so distant future. Disney is not keeping its staff as bright and happy as they once were. Also, it is becoming a pain at points to find staff members.

Yeah.. Some of the staff are showing that frown he had trained them to erase.
And Tomorrowland was his main thing almost, Had to be the newest stuff, He tried many times for that, and now it's just.. Rides?
Rides of what..? Rides of television theme and fast paced.. Darkness.

Hmm, I suppose Disney would be happy with all this success.. but, something just tells me he'd be quite upset with quite a few things. By the way Flea, I'm pretty sure Walt wasn't a money-loving scrooge, lol ;).


Nope, It clearly says almost everywhere you read, Walt never loved the money.

He would be happy because disney is still running and it's making everyone happy!

Not everyone is happy. Some people - Like myself - Would be HAPPY if a few things would change.

It's not making everyone happy. People like some shows, but it's just being used to make money, that's not what I like about it, and that's why I'm not happy with Disney right now.

I'm not happy with Disney right now because, Hey, They've turned all of their kids into stars, Making Buco Bucks every minute.
It's kind of sad to see how Walt's dream of Magic, Not Money, Is now turning into, Money, and some Magic.

HA NO! walt wanted people of all ages to have fun at his parks, ahem the matterhorn was the first real manufactured steel rollercoaster. he did not want his parks to apear fun only to small children but the people who find latest and greatest best. not cardboard sit through rides with movies and cartoons his own comany didnt even make :rollseyes: i know if was still alive his parks would still have the fun themeing for the kids, but there would be rides people can say are fun.

So your saying out of how many rides at all the parks none of them are fun? I can name so many rides that are fun.

I'd say he would most certainly not be happy! They charge like $2.00 for one water bottle, think they're not in it for the money? If Walt was still here, he would have much more things than just Car Shows at MGM, he would have classics that everyone would enjoy!

I'd say he would most certainly not be happy! They charge like $2.00 for one water bottle, think they're not in it for the money? If Walt was still here, he would have much more things than just Car Shows at MGM, he would have classics that everyone would enjoy!
Actually, the water is closer to three dollars a bottle.

$1.25 Small/$2 for Large if I'm correct. Just ask for the small clear cups or use the drinking fountain, saves you money for PINS! in the end. Walt Disney would be sort of dissapointed on how commercial Disney has become expanding it internationally, actually, he might like that his parks are expanded around the world but still, I guess the only way to explain the prices is basic supply and demand...
- Zach

I think they're over-pricing the stuff so they can get extra cash for themselves or make a new ride that will make people "happy" while it's making Walt sader.

Do you seriously believe that walt didn't love money, every human being loves money. Its impossible not to. As for over pricing they kind of have to: A. how much land do they own? that ought to raise the taxes I dont know maybe alot
B. how many people do they employ? Seriously they are charging so much so others can have J-O-B-S.
C. do you know how much research they put in their rides? Seriously they had the imagineers go to asia just to research expedion everest, and their rides aren't made cheaply like at six flags. They also have to pay to feed all those animals they have at animal kingdom and at the lodge.
D. How many things do they have their to help the guests that they dont really need? they have a nurses station, lost and found, lockers, day care, and plenty of other stuff that cost i dont know money.
E. How many times do they get sued a year? this doesnt really need an explanation
F. Do you know how much it costs to pay divas to do disney channel movies? just look at how much more they offered zac then all the other hsm cast
G. How much money do they put into all the movies they make?
H. how much gas does a cruise ship use? just imagine your care fifty times bigger
I. How much does it cost to keep up a good site? how many people do you have creating different ideas and designs?
I could go on and on but seriously do you blame them, they need money to keep the park and every look good. Unless you want it to turn into a six flags be my guest.

He would be disapointed.

They are just riding on the fact its walt disneys company.. its all been faliure and corney movies stealing off them selves dince his death.

Walt did love money, but that isn't the reason he made Disneyland, or well it probably was but it wasn't the MAIN reason, the main reason was the supply the general public with a magical place that anyone could enjoy. You got to remember that Six Flags, Cedar Fair (Knott's and Cedar Point were around but were nothing like today), Universal Parks, Sea World, or any of those parks were around in the Early/Mid 1950's, Disneyland was a completly new concept.

Now there is a reason why the prices are so high although I think it is a bit of the guest's imagination as you can find some pretty decent deals going through and out the park. The first reason prices are so high is that the guest is kind of trapped, I mean they could go off property and just get something at the local Taco Bell, but when you think about it, it would be more expensive to drive your car over to that Taco Bell then to just pay a few extra bucks for your food, darn gas prices.. The second reason is that Disney has to pay to get all of the merchandise, food, etc.. made for the guest which will probably be a few dollars but for Disney to make money from that item, they would have to make it higher in price than what it costs to make so that they will make profit, that is probably one of the most basic lessons you will learn. Plus, atleast it isn't as bad as Six Flags, the food there is probably a good dollar or two more expensive for each item and is way worse quality. Disney does a pretty good job price wise.

Yes, and Disney does need to pay for all of that junk but then again, Disney has BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS of dollars to burn so I don't think a few hundred thousand dollar lawsuit will effect Disney that much. They are making money from their movies (hundreds of millions), their cruise line (at a bare minimum of probably 5-10 million per 7 night cruise), their parks (don't even get me started (The top 5 attended theme parks in the U.S. are all Disney parks) not to mention international.

They might have to put a lot of money in, but jeez.. they get a lot of money out. I truely don't think the money thing is too bad considering a 2 day park hopper is $150 divided by 4 (2 days, 2 parks) would be $37.50 to experience a Disney park for 7-8 hours.

It isn't that bad..

- Zach

Walt did love money, but that isn't the reason he made Disneyland, or well it probably was but it wasn't the MAIN reason, the main reason was the supply the general public with a magical place that anyone could enjoy. You got to remember that Six Flags, Cedar Fair (Knott's and Cedar Point were around but were nothing like today), Universal Parks, Sea World, or any of those parks were around in the Early/Mid 1950's, Disneyland was a completly new concept.

Now there is a reason why the prices are so high although I think it is a bit of the guest's imagination as you can find some pretty decent deals going through and out the park. The first reason prices are so high is that the guest is kind of trapped, I mean they could go off property and just get something at the local Taco Bell, but when you think about it, it would be more expensive to drive your car over to that Taco Bell then to just pay a few extra bucks for your food, darn gas prices.. The second reason is that Disney has to pay to get all of the merchandise, food, etc.. made for the guest which will probably be a few dollars but for Disney to make money from that item, they would have to make it higher in price than what it costs to make so that they will make profit, that is probably one of the most basic lessons you will learn. Plus, atleast it isn't as bad as Six Flags, the food there is probably a good dollar or two more expensive for each item and is way worse quality. Disney does a pretty good job price wise.

Yes, and Disney does need to pay for all of that junk but then again, Disney has BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS of dollars to burn so I don't think a few hundred thousand dollar lawsuit will effect Disney that much. They are making money from their movies (hundreds of millions), their cruise line (at a bare minimum of probably 5-10 million per 7 night cruise), their parks (don't even get me started (The top 5 attended theme parks in the U.S. are all Disney parks) not to mention international.

They might have to put a lot of money in, but jeez.. they get a lot of money out. I truely don't think the money thing is too bad considering a 2 day park hopper is $150 divided by 4 (2 days, 2 parks) would be $37.50 to experience a Disney park for 7-8 hours.

It isn't that bad..

- Zach

You do relize how many people own disney? If you divide it by how many people own disney they would have a smaller cut, although I do agree the rest of your post.

I am just curious why everything has to be walts's way. How do you know all his idea were going to be great, maybe the ideas of today are better? Seriously like the saying goes a million imagineers' heads are better then one.It doesn't have to be Walt's way, as you say. And I'm not sure his ideas were all going to be great, but considering his past success, I'd adore to know what they would've been like today :)

So your saying out of how many rides at all the parks none of them are fun? I can name so many rides that are fun.

thats what im saying, in your sense of fun sure, but back in the day walt was ahead of the amusment industry, honestly its a shame how disney parks lack the "first to do" factor, like the way walt claimed the matterhorn as the first steel rollercoaster. now theyre too concerned about making the little kids happy they forgot about the thrill people got out of riding a record breaking ride. not saying everything disney has done is horrible however they gave the thrills to other parks, and hasnt taken anything amazing ever since. now, if disney decided to steal the first 500+ ft coaster from cp id be impressed, and of course that would draw a huge income from all the guests wanting to ride it. but we all know that will never happen :haha:

as for the money issue look at their admision tickets that says alot now doesnt it? they just want your money, as every parks prices are high, they need money to survive, however disney's main income comes from their movies so theyre just money hungry :p dont forget about their stock holders people... if you own disney stock youd get pretty upset if they started lowering their prices and you lose money;)

I love Disney, everything Disney - especially Disneyland. But I honestly don't think Walt Disney would be happy with the Disney Theme Parks at least..

Now it's all about money, about making money. Walt wanted it to be a magical place, it still is - but probably not like what it is now. I honestly don't think Walt Disney cared so much about money as people do today, even though it was important to keep up with the electricity bills at Disneyland and Walt Disney World.

~Disney :mickbar:

thats what im saying, in your sense of fun sure, but back in the day walt was ahead of the amusment industry, honestly its a shame how disney parks lack the "first to do" factor, like the way walt claimed the matterhorn as the first steel rollercoaster. now theyre too concerned about making the little kids happy they forgot about the thrill people got out of riding a record breaking ride. not saying everything disney has done is horrible however they gave the thrills to other parks, and hasnt taken anything amazing ever since. now, if disney decided to steal the first 500+ ft coaster from cp id be impressed, and of course that would draw a huge income from all the guests wanting to ride it. but we all know that will never happen :haha:

as for the money issue look at their admision tickets that says alot now doesnt it? they just want your money, as every parks prices are high, they need money to survive, however disney's main income comes from their movies so theyre just money hungry :p dont forget about their stock holders people... if you own disney stock youd get pretty upset if they started lowering their prices and you lose money;)

How do you know walt seriously had good ideas ahead, he could've been bluffing and paid somebody for these ideas. That is just a theory, but still just becaus ehe made one succesful ride doesn't mean all his rides are, oh and if you dont like any of the rides at disney then I guess you dont like walts' rides. ;)

You do realize how much money goes into those movies, its not cheap to pay spoiled actors, do tons of research, hire directors, get a set, get props, get more staff, get food for the staff, get costumes for the spoiled actors, and much much more. Disney does not go cheap when it comes to movies.

How do you know walt seriously had good ideas ahead, he could've been bluffing and paid somebody for these ideas. That is just a theory, but still just becaus ehe made one succesful ride doesn't mean all his rides are, oh and if you dont like any of the rides at disney then I guess you dont like walts' rides. ;)

You do realize how much money goes into those movies, its not cheap to pay spoiled actors, do tons of research, hire directors, get a set, get props, get more staff, get food for the staff, get costumes for the spoiled actors, and much much more. Disney does not go cheap when it comes to movies.

he could of, but he still accepted it to his park, meaning he liked the idea of special new things that get people going. i dont see that factor in the parks today, which i feel would get him a little upset.

never said it didnt, just pointed out that disney's main income comes from the movies.

though it was important to keep up with the electricity bills at Disneyland and Walt Disney World

Disney owns their own power plant. still fun to imagine how rediculous theyre electic and gas bill would be if they didnt though lol

I think the way Disney has strayed since his death wouldn't make him too happy. I don't think he would have left Disney Channel stray from cartoons and Disney wouldn't have needed to get most of it's "magical" hits from pixar. The only new hit I can think of from disney is Lilo and Stitch and I don't think that's pure disney.


I think the Parks and such is adaquet. Still I think he would be ashamed of the Disney media.

Disney owns their own power plant. still fun to imagine how rediculous theyre electic and gas bill would be if they didnt though lol
We have one of those. Really cuts down on the electric bill!

How do you know walt seriously had good ideas ahead, he could've been bluffing and paid somebody for these ideas. That is just a theory, but still just becaus ehe made one succesful ride doesn't mean all his rides are, oh and if you dont like any of the rides at disney then I guess you dont like walts' rides. ;)

You do realize how much money goes into those movies, its not cheap to pay spoiled actors, do tons of research, hire directors, get a set, get props, get more staff, get food for the staff, get costumes for the spoiled actors, and much much more. Disney does not go cheap when it comes to movies.I just said before, I'm not sure they were going to be great... but from his past success, I'd be pretty sure. And why on Earth would he bluff and pay someone else for these ideas?... That totally doesn't make sense to me. He did get inspirations and other ideas from people close to him, though. Also, Disney movies and other moves overall aren't cheap. A lot that the Disney company does isn't cheap. Spoiled actors? I'm sure some are, but not all.

Let me just say it this way, its kind of hard not to get a big head when your paid a million+ a picture, and a agent telling everyone that you are gods gift of acting, and a million fans telling them how wonderful they are. Just look at the percentage of disney stars who have gotten big heads. For instance Justin timberlake, hilary duff, the guy from phil of the future, zac efron, lindsey lohan, and etc. As for paying others for his ideas, look at imagineers, that is what disney is doing today. So its strongly likely that he did it then and passed it off as his own. Walt has so much to do, its not like he sat around an afternoon and came up with all the ideas for disneyland. plus he had other things to deal with during that time.

I've been thinking similarly. I ask myself, "Would Walt appreciate the fact that now, in some of the live-action movies, they've included curse words in the script?" He may or may not object to that. But I know he would realize that new kinds of animation have by far antiquated the kinds used in his day. The equipment they used back then pales in comparison to what technology has brought us in the past 42 years. I think he would be happy to have things go a lot faster, and work more efficiently. An even better way to produce good quality entertainment for kids, not to mention people of all ages. That's what he would have wanted.

Let me just say it this way, its kind of hard not to get a big head when your paid a million+ a picture, and a agent telling everyone that you are gods gift of acting, and a million fans telling them how wonderful they are. Just look at the percentage of disney stars who have gotten big heads. For instance Justin timberlake, hilary duff, the guy from phil of the future, zac efron, lindsey lohan, and etc. As for paying others for his ideas, look at imagineers, that is what disney is doing today. So its strongly likely that he did it then and passed it off as his own. Walt has so much to do, its not like he sat around an afternoon and came up with all the ideas for disneyland. plus he had other things to deal with during that time.I understand that. I know. But not all of them are spoiled. You're basically stereotyping in a way. And it strongly isn't likely Walt paid others for ideas and passed them off for his own, at least I strongly don't believe that and so do the authors that I've read an article written by them about him. Also, Imagineers work together to make these ideas up. What are you talking about?

How do I say this delicately. Disney has many imagineers who work together on projects and I am pretty sure they did back then too. who did/do they give credit to? Normally they said disney came up with these ideas all on his own and no one else got credit. I am pretty sure their were imagineers back then that came up with these ideas and they aren't getting credit now. Neither are all the other important imagineers.

I don't think he'd like teaming up with Pixar. Anyone read the Kingdom Keepers? At the end, it hints he had much more for the park planned than it has achieved. I believe that. Also, mickey mouse is being pushed out and becoming just for " little kids ". On the teen disney channel, there aren't any mickey shows. But on the preschool disney channel, there's "Mickey Mouse Clubhouse" and more.

How do I say this delicately. Disney has many imagineers who work together on projects and I am pretty sure they did back then too. who did/do they give credit to? Normally they said disney came up with these ideas all on his own and no one else got credit. I am pretty sure their were imagineers back then that came up with these ideas and they aren't getting credit now. Neither are all the other important imagineers.I've said that Disney has mentioned help from others. He didn't only keep credit to himself, numerous places has it been mentioned he's gotten help from family or friends. He worked together with his Imagineers.

"Walt Disney Imagineering was formed by entertainment mogul Walt Disney on December 16, 1952 as WED Enterprises (WED: Walter Elias Disney) to develop plans for a theme park and to manage Disney's personal assets. It was originally an independent, private company, owned by Walt Disney himself, but on February 3, 1965, was merged into Walt Disney Productions. It is currently known as Walt Disney Imagineering (WDI), Disney Imagineering, or simply Imagineering." - from the Wikipedia.

I'm just gonna leave it with i dont agree with you at all etna! :val03: I also don't see how you could be assuming such an awful thing towards Walt Disney! He was a very creative and amazing person who deserves all the credit he got. I don't find it very fair of you to say that. Especially since the same could be said about anyone else out there. I'm more interested to hear about what Walt Disney would think rather than the kind of person he was.

Markershark, the kind of person he was greatly affects if he would be happy with the park so I kind of have to debate what kind of person he was. As for Walt, how do you know he was such a great person? did you know him? I personally am tired of people treating walt that he is the best thing since sliced bread yet their are so many people out their who has contributed much more to the world then a theme park and motion pictures. now back on topic, Does anyone know anybody who know walt, it would be much easier to figure this out if their was?

Walt disney was one the most best people ever to acctualy take the time and give fun to children of all ages happiness not many people you see now would feel like doing things like that for the joy of it.
Etna, Walt was great and yes the imagineers get alot of credit and money. Think if it wasn't for him would you be posting this message? Would you be playing the game? He did alot and the imagineers and Disney workers try to continue this dream. And You KNOW IT!

I think that although Disney really didn't want to base everything on money, that he would still be happy. Lots of people are really happy and overjoyed going to his theme parks, no matter how much money it costs. I don't think it would make anything more magical.. but that is my opinion. Part of what makes VMK so great, is that it is totally free! I think you are right in the sense that Disney would be proud, that at least a virtual world of Disney is free! :-)
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I think he wouldn't be happy with EPCOT. It was supposed to be a living community of the future where you could rent houses for vacation. Every morning, you would take people movers to where you need to be. Now it is a theme park like his other dreams. EPCOT is my favorite park, but I would rather have Walt decide what to do. We wouldn't all be here in vmk if he didn't get Oswald stolen from him and drew that one little mouse....

I think Walt would be glad that the Disney Corporations have grown to an huge level. But I really think Walt would be greatly disappointed on what is going on.

TV shows are not doing the "Disney Magic" it once had, when Walt Disney was alive, and the only way they show Walt's past is by showing DVDs of him and his cartoons. They should do more on that.

In all of WDW, the one main place for Walt Disney stuff is "One Man's Dream" in MGM. You'd think people would want to know more about him than a 15 minute show, and just some of his work.

The way the Disney Corporation has strayed away from Walt's ideas is greatly depressing. If Walt Disney was still alive, this stuff wouldn't have happened. In my opinion, the Disney Corporation would be a lot better, and more efficient. Yes, Walt had an idea for EPCOT that didn't go well with other people, but his mistakes (per his peers), are just in a small quantity compared to how many great things he has done for what is known today is "Disney".

Some of today's kids don't reconize all of the great things Walt Disney has done, or don't full understand them. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't sound like it from what I read on fan sites. Yes, some people know what I'm talking about, some don't. They even have great books on Walt Disney himself, and most are very interesting, you learn facts that I'd never would have known if I never read the book :).

Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, was Walt's first great success in his career. Without that, he might have not have made Mickey Mouse.

This question has always bewildered me, "Would Walt Disney be happen with the Disney Corporation if he was alive today" My answer is almost always "No".

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I'm pretty sure he'd just be thrilled to be alive.

And so would I.

I Don't Think He Would Be Happy About Kids Just Siting In Front Of Their Computers for hours playing VMK instead of getting out and playing. But I Do Think He Would Of Made Many Changes with the Disney Parks if he was still alive.

From his mind, No.

I'm pretty sure he'd just be thrilled to be alive.

And so would I.
Wait: Are you not alive?

I Don't Think He Would Be Happy About Kids Just Siting In Front Of Their Computers for hours playing VMK instead of getting out and playing. But I Do Think He Would Of Made Many Changes with the Disney Parks if he was still alive.People have their own choice, they can sit there for hours or not.

Wait: Are you not alive?LOL xD

It sounds to me like you have something against Walt Disney. It was all his idea. not the imagineers but they deserve alot of credit but as I said they are continuing Walts dream.I agree with that.

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Markershark, the kind of person he was greatly affects if he would be happy with the park so I kind of have to debate what kind of person he was. As for Walt, how do you know he was such a great person? did you know him? I personally am tired of people treating walt that he is the best thing since sliced bread yet their are so many people out their who has contributed much more to the world then a theme park and motion pictures. now back on topic, Does anyone know anybody who know walt, it would be much easier to figure this out if their was?

ok etna my mummy went once when walt disney was still alive anyways walt was a great person he is an idol for me and he is nice bc he always wanna make ppl feel happy

You do realize how much money goes into those movies, its not cheap to pay spoiled actors, do tons of research, hire directors, get a set, get props, get more staff, get food for the staff, get costumes for the spoiled actors, and much much more. Disney does not go cheap when it comes to movies.

Just because you brought that up...

Did you know?
The Aristocats took 4 years to make, cost $4 millon, and included more than 325,000 drawings made by 35 animators, with 20 main sequences having 1,125 seperate scenes using 900 painted backgrounds!

Probably not. Alot of his ideas were taken out from WDW.

I think Walt Disney would be happy, but very much would change:
1. Pleasure Island would have NEVER been created
2. There would be more classical attractions (based on the animated Disney Movies)
3. The park would be more up-to-date
4. The movies would be more kid-friendly
5. There wouldn't be sequels to every Disney Movie (The sequels to Jungle Book and Cinderella totally ruined the point of the first movie)
6. The CM's would be chosen more carefully (As of, a better Disney attitude than the ones they have now)
I might add more later, but I'm not in the mood to right now >.<

Just because you brought that up...

Did you know?
The Aristocats took 4 years to make, cost $4 millon, and included more than 325,000 drawings made by 35 animators, with 20 main sequences having 1,125 seperate scenes using 900 painted backgrounds! Oh my @_@ shows how much heart Walt and his animators put into those creations at least.

I think Walt Disney would be happy, but very much would change:
1. Pleasure Island would have NEVER been created
2. There would be more classical attractions (based on the animated Disney Movies)
3. The park would be more up-to-date
4. The movies would be more kid-friendly
5. There wouldn't be sequels to every Disney Movie (The sequels to Jungle Book and Cinderella totally ruined the point of the first movie)
6. The CM's would be chosen more carefully (As of, a better Disney attitude than the ones they have now)
I might add more later, but I'm not in the mood to right now >.<Interesting thought, I never considered Pleasure Island. About the sequels, those wouldn't exist for sure and the Cast Members, I've noticed some of them aren't very... Disney happy.

I do believe Walt would be very happy! Alot of ideas where on the table way before his passing. His dreams were to make the whole world happy which is happening little by little.
He has made my family happy now for 3 generations!!

i'm sure walt would be happy to know that his dream is still alive.. i'm sure he'd be slightly disappointed though.. the entire disney empire is very money hungry (like you all said, the cost of things in the park is ridiculous), and they seem to be going in a different direction than what it should be.. not only that, but the fact they have taken out half of walts original rides is what really kills me.. (20,000 leagues under the sea?) and i miss disney cartoons.. enough of the kid soaps already..

i absolutly love disney world, and its one of the very few places i can go to, and completely forget about my every day life, and have FUN.. for that reason, i'm sure walt would still be happy.. his purpose of the park was to make people happy, and its still happening.. that mouse will never fail to put a smile on my face.. i will just always remember to bring my own water and snacks with me.. O_o

I think Walt Disney would be happy, but very much would change:
1. Pleasure Island would have NEVER been created


I agree. However, Pleasure Island is as good as dead. Get ready for Disney's Night Kingdom; something that I'm not very happy about, personally.

I agree. However, Pleasure Island is as good as dead. Get ready for Disney's Night Kingdom; something that I'm not very happy about, personally.I never cared for Pleasure Island. It's nothing like it was in Pinocchio! Disney's Night Kingdom looks great, from what little I've read so far.

Just because you brought that up...

Did you know?
The Aristocats took 4 years to make, cost $4 millon, and included more than 325,000 drawings made by 35 animators, with 20 main sequences having 1,125 seperate scenes using 900 painted backgrounds!

Thanks for the info, I didn't know that, and aristocats is one of my all time favorite movies.

I never cared for Pleasure Island. It's nothing like it was in Pinocchio! Disney's Night Kingdom looks great, from what little I've read so far.

I never cared for either version of Pleasure Island.

Disney's Night Kingdom does look great, but it feels distinctly un-Disney. It's Disney's answer to that stupid Discover Cove thing... and it doesn't feel right.

I never cared for either version of Pleasure Island.

Disney's Night Kingdom does look great, but it feels distinctly un-Disney. It's Disney's answer to that stupid Discover Cove thing... and it doesn't feel right.
It feels more like Disney than "Adventures by Disney." To me, at least.

i'm sure walt would be happy to know that his dream is still alive.. i'm sure he'd be slightly disappointed though.. the entire disney empire is very money hungry (like you all said, the cost of things in the park is ridiculous), and they seem to be going in a different direction than what it should be.. not only that, but the fact they have taken out half of walts original rides is what really kills me.. (20,000 leagues under the sea?) and i miss disney cartoons.. enough of the kid soaps already..

i absolutly love disney world, and its one of the very few places i can go to, and completely forget about my every day life, and have FUN.. for that reason, i'm sure walt would still be happy.. his purpose of the park was to make people happy, and its still happening.. that mouse will never fail to put a smile on my face.. i will just always remember to bring my own water and snacks with me.. O_oI hear you on that, lol. I think one of the reasons I adore WDW is because I just forget everything... It's just happiness that comes to me.

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Walt would be satisfied but not happy.

He would be happy about how Disney World makes amny people happy, but would not be happy with a lot of these rides that the cast members made, and places like Pleasure Island.

And Disney's Califronia Adventure... would be torn down and laid to rest, or redone, and made more Walt Disney-Like. DCA is the thing Walt HATED the most, amusement park-styled attractions. He wanted rides that was different than what you would see in a carnival or Amusement parks.

It feels more like Disney than "Adventures by Disney." To me, at least.
Well, yes. Very much so.

I think Walt would be a bit of both. Happy and Displeased.

As for Pleasure Island, I have a special love for it that comes from the Adventurer's Club. If they want to get rid of it, that's fine with me, as long as they leave us Adventurers marching along. Hooplah!

And, yes, the Cast Member standard at Disneyland has gone about as low as it can, but to be fair, Disney (park-side, at least) is an equally horrible employer. They pay scraps for hard labor. Reward stupidity. Punish innovative thinking. Overwork their employees. Put more emphasis on the value of a person being there to fill a position than the importance of the person filling that position actually being able to get the job done. Even the biggest of Disney enthusiast would become a little jaded after only a year of working there. It's easy to forget the magic when they're kicking you around backstage, just before you go to your post. http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/littlefroun.gif

I think Walt would be a bit of both. Happy and Displeased.

As for Pleasure Island, I have a special love for it that comes from the Adventurer's Club. If they want to get rid of it, that's fine with me, as long as they leave us Adventurers marching along. Hooplah!

And, yes, the Cast Member standard at Disneyland has gone about as low as it can, but to be fair, Disney (park-side, at least) is an equally horrible employer. They pay scraps for hard labor. Reward stupidity. Punish innovative thinking. Overwork their employees. Put more emphasis on the value of a person being there to fill a position than the importance of the person filling that position actually being able to get the job done. Even the biggest of Disney enthusiast would become a little jaded after only a year of working there. It's easy to forget the magic when they're kicking you around backstage, just before you go to your post. http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/littlefroun.gif

Aww.. sounds like first-hand experience? I apologize on behalf of the Mouse for any mistreatment. I've also heard the working conditions there are less than inspiring, what with the shoddy break-rooms, below-average cafeteria food, and run-down parking shuttles. It's truly unfortunate that places like In-N-Out and Home Depot start their employees at a higher average wage, because staffing excellent Cast Members is what really sells the show known as "Disneyland"! They definitely need to step it up, and until they do, I guess I'll just put my Jungle Cruise skipper dreams on hold...

Aww.. sounds like first-hand experience? I apologize on behalf of the Mouse for any mistreatment. I've also heard the working conditions there are less than inspiring, what with the shoddy break-rooms, below-average cafeteria food, and run-down parking shuttles. It's truly unfortunate that places like In-N-Out and Home Depot start their employees at a higher average wage, because staffing excellent Cast Members is what really sells the show known as "Disneyland"! They definitely need to step it up, and until they do, I guess I'll just put my Jungle Cruise skipper dreams on hold...

Yes, I was hurt by the Mouse. http://ilovetherainpiccies.homestead.com/files/NeoArt/Sprites/Cry.GIF
It really is a double-edged sword. There are things about working there that are amazing and wonderful and can't be experienced anywhere esle. But between scheduling, upper managment, and the bodies they hire just to fill a quota and slap "Cast Member" on them, it's a love-hate relationship. My biggest complaint was always that as a hard-working CM trying to produce a quality show and really live up to the Disney standard, not only was uppermanagment completely oblivious to our needs or even exsistance, but they seemed to be waging war against us if we tried to do anything that was above mindless repetition standard. The only way to see improvements in our area was to band together with like-minded CMs and "just do it" like ninjas, and hope that the managers were probably not going to be attentative enough to notice.

The funny part is that even with all of the horrible things that the company does, I would still go back, for the people, the park, and the spirit of Disney which you can still find there, if you know where to look. Besides, we can't just let the ney-sayers have it. Vive la Résistance!

I think he would be extremely happy! He made the world of imagination international!!!

I think Walt would be a bit of both. Happy and Displeased.

As for Pleasure Island, I have a special love for it that comes from the Adventurer's Club. If they want to get rid of it, that's fine with me, as long as they leave us Adventurers marching along. Hooplah!

And, yes, the Cast Member standard at Disneyland has gone about as low as it can, but to be fair, Disney (park-side, at least) is an equally horrible employer. They pay scraps for hard labor. Reward stupidity. Punish innovative thinking. Overwork their employees. Put more emphasis on the value of a person being there to fill a position than the importance of the person filling that position actually being able to get the job done. Even the biggest of Disney enthusiast would become a little jaded after only a year of working there. It's easy to forget the magic when they're kicking you around backstage, just before you go to your post. http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/littlefroun.gif

I see how they lie in their commercials where they have "employees" say how awesome it is to work their. Then again its a job do you expect to be served on a golden platter? Most jobs do make you do things you dont want to do that instant. Most jobs dont give you a large pay in the beginning and you normally work your way up to get a larger pay. As for the run down parking trams, all you are doing is riding back and forth, do your really need anything that nice? Thank of the amish. As for the cruddy cafeteria food, you do remember how horrible and unhealthy the food is at school? Not to mention you get to find out new things before everyone else. All the employees I see their are always happy and smiling and helpful. With the exception of some managers in a hurry or just old cranky people who need a nap. I have talked to an elderly man at a pin event who has been working their for years and was happy as a clam. You get to help people and make dreams come true. Dont you think its worth a few unfun things to do it?

I think Walt would be a bit of both. Happy and Displeased.

As for Pleasure Island, I have a special love for it that comes from the Adventurer's Club. If they want to get rid of it, that's fine with me, as long as they leave us Adventurers marching along. Hooplah!

And, yes, the Cast Member standard at Disneyland has gone about as low as it can, but to be fair, Disney (park-side, at least) is an equally horrible employer. They pay scraps for hard labor. Reward stupidity. Punish innovative thinking. Overwork their employees. Put more emphasis on the value of a person being there to fill a position than the importance of the person filling that position actually being able to get the job done. Even the biggest of Disney enthusiast would become a little jaded after only a year of working there. It's easy to forget the magic when they're kicking you around backstage, just before you go to your post. http://www.ilovetherain.com/Emote/littlefroun.gif
The Adventurers Club is getting a new home inside Disney's Night Kingdom.

I see how they lie in their commercials where they have "employees" say how awesome it is to work their. Then again its a job do you expect to be served on a golden platter? Most jobs do make you do things you dont want to do that instant. Most jobs dont give you a large pay in the beginning and you normally work your way up to get a larger pay. As for the run down parking trams, all you are doing is riding back and forth, do your really need anything that nice? Thank of the amish. As for the cruddy cafeteria food, you do remember how horrible and unhealthy the food is at school? Not to mention you get to find out new things before everyone else. All the employees I see their are always happy and smiling and helpful. With the exception of some managers in a hurry or just old cranky people who need a nap. I have talked to an elderly man at a pin event who has been working their for years and was happy as a clam. You get to help people and make dreams come true. Dont you think its worth a few unfun things to do it?


I know what is expected of an employee in a job. I have had many. ;) I do not expect to be treated like a queen, or a guest to the park, or anything like that, and I don't think that I ever implied that I expected such treatment. What I do expect is fair wage for the work that I am doing. I do expect to be treated as a human being, instead of a work horse. I do expect bare minimum in terms of compitent fellow employees, proper tools for doing my job, and recognition for the amount of work that I do, especially if that work is above and beyond what is asked of me or what my fellow employees are willing to do.

The pay increase is nonexsistant. I won't even begin to go into that. They offer the equivilant of their bucket hat for your stitch hat, in vmk terms of opportunities to increase your wages.

I also don't recall saying that I was unhappy with the cast shuttles. I rather liked the drivers. ^_^ They were usually very cheery people, and no one had to force-paint the smiles on their faces.

Again, I didn't complain about bad food, but since it's been brought up...There is a difference in bad tasting food, and health hazardous food. I usually took my own lunch, or went off-property with the crew, but the cast eating facilities were often accredited with giving mass numbers who ate there food poisoning and other such unpleasantries. Again, it's not expecting gourmet cuisine, it's expecting edible meals.

I was one of those happy helpful smilies that you're talking about. My hatred of the company rarely affected my appearance when I was on-stage, or how I treated guests.

My point, anyway, was that it is not necessarily always the CMs' fault that they no longer cherish the magic.

The Adventurers Club is getting a new home inside Disney's Night Kingdom.

In that case, I approve! *thumbs up*