I Wrote A Letter To Yavn And Wanted To See What He Had To Say:

Hello Yavn,

I would just like to confirm with you some events going on and how without you none of this would be possible. I know many people do not like your behavior, but a FEW players know that you indeed have a life. When you recieve this message, I want you to know that your game is excellent and dreams should always come true. Never give up with the game. It's ok if you do not respond back, but know that I Believe In YOU. I just want you to be aware of all the scams and trades. What if none of this could happen? what if..? I have an idea. I know this may sound crazy, but do you remember the old days of VMK? The beta time? It was nice, players were new and they had a goal. They had time to explore, what is exploring for now? the beta players have moved on with there life because VMK is getting boring. Eventually and overall, what is there to do? chat with friends? VIRTUAL friends? Hmm....I'd just want to say that you should be notified by these issues. Your losing many players and I don't think you are noticing it. I can see you trying with TikiT and dreams month, but all those players and those players that still go onto the VMK fan sites have hope, that one day you will make something extraordinary! Something that will get them to come back. That is something special. I have to admit that I have not been going on because all these items aren't making me want to go. TikiT's rooms are only exclusive to players who get there first which is mostly luck or if you are on his friends list. The real and true reason why other players and me are bored are because of VMK itself. No new rooms come out now, you don't even fully do your letter, it makes no sense at all and I think you need to be honest with us. Your not telling something and WE need to know. Kids are trusting you and I think you need to trust them. The worlds are getting more and more boring because there is nothing for us to do. Play mini-games? buy overpriced Virtual items? Trade for items that get scammed? I know that not all players feel this way but it really breaks my heart for such a good game to get like this. I think you need staff that have players minds and actually truly see what is happening to VMK and what is going to happen to VMK. How you can benefit and how it will help. Contact Us is another story, automated letters don't help us and neither does call for help. It is not like a person is going to walk up to you and stock you and then go to your house 2 seconds after and you report it to prevent them from playing VMK, they already stock you. It is these things that make VMK players sick of VMK and I hope my thought out explanation has helped you realize what you truly are doing for the Virtual Magic Kingdom Society.

Good Night And Have A Magical Day,
Your Friend,
Your Member,
-Disney101

I really hope he does realize this and I hope to get a message back from him soon.

well, It's a long letter but I think it's good.

1. Mentioning that he is losing to many people shouldn't be in there
2. Saying that VMK is getting boring shouldn'tbe in there too

I know that you are telling the truth but it might make him feel bad. Just trying to help

yes I can understand now but he just needs to give more effort and support for the game, don't you agree?

I think it's a good letter to Yavn :-)

I do agree. And i think she had the right to tell yavn its boring @_@
look at all the people that have done every quest in vmk.
and played all the minigames a jillion times.
yeah, that must get thee game borings so yavnn needs to get more things going.

I am not saying it's bad ia m just saying that including those this isn't a good thing to say to him. I agree but to send to him isn't that good. It'sa good letter though

I agree but its like saying " Your doing great...but not good enough "


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29979

That was kinda mean...
Do you know, how hard these people work?!you try scripting and computing and finding artists, people who are good with children, animators, computer experts, and try making you own mini game where at least 10,000 people play.
Thats 10,000 different minds and opinions. Who all want something different.
Im tired of people putting off Yavn..

I like it.
It's true.
It's honest.
It's what he needs to see.
Great work.

-Goofy :goofy:

It says people stock him.


Stock is money, you mean stalk right?

Just Wondering

Sdude

p.s. I like the letter I feel the same way

I am not saying it's bad ia m just saying that including those this isn't a good thing to say to him. I agree but to send to him isn't that good. It'sa good letter though

Why not?

I think it was a good letter and pointing out those topics made it even better. If you don't realize yourself some things are happening and people don't let you know about them how will you ever improve?

That was kinda mean...
Do you know, how hard these people work?!you try scripting and computing and finding artists, people who are good with children, animators, computer experts, and try making you own mini game where at least 10,000 people play.
Thats 10,000 different minds and opinions. Who all want something different.
Im tired of people putting off Yavn..

How can someone who is trying to help you improve be mean? He never said your game stinks it should have more things, I don't like it, I quit. He just said the game was losing it's touch and he pointed out what he thinks could improve to make it better, instead of showing just disagreement he also provided possible solutions.

This is like telling yavn he doesn't know how to run VMK. YOU don't, what makes YOU feel that you can do any better?

It's not "like" saying this or that. He ranted about what he's not comfortable with on VMK, he never said he could run VMK better than the staff, you just assumed that and flamed him with no valid argument.

Good letter, and I hope people read at what you wrote more carefully before they continue to jump on to misleaded conclusions!

Kaironzet

I don't think it's mean.
I think that it's honest.

Its long, but its good and true ♥

I agree but its like saying " Your doing great...but not good enough "


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29979
Yes that is my point. He is giving less and less effort which needs to change.
That was kinda mean...
Do you know, how hard these people work?!you try scripting and computing and finding artists, people who are good with children, animators, computer experts, and try making you own mini game where at least 10,000 people play.
Thats 10,000 different minds and opinions. Who all want something different.
Im tired of people putting off Yavn..
Well, if it is there job, I suggest working harder because it is there job to make an excellent game, do we see that? NO.
It says people stock him.


Stock is money, you mean stalk right?

Just Wondering

Sdude

p.s. I like the letter I feel the same way
LOL yeah sorry, I forgot, thanks for correcting me.


I never said he doesn't know how to run VMK, I said that he needs to put forth effort to his own game. We understand he works hard but the effort is becoming a little less everyday.

tell us if you get an answer... I hope you do :)

I like it.. well I didn't like the mushy beginning (LOL) but I like the part where you told him off :D

that was really good letter its true and honest i think things also need to
improve i would have never thought of writing a letter like that it was
awesome :)

_Padme123

It's honest but.. I hope the he doesn't feel too bad about it. I mean he does do alot of things to make VMK better and safe. Everybody has different opinions though. I have been hoping for new rooms, new lands, or new hair styles in VMK. Just something new to make it more exciting. I hope your letter has him think about that. Yavn has done alot and I'm thankful for that, but new SOMETHING would be great :-). I just hope he doesn't take the letter in the wrong way.

:daisy-walk-ani:LillyTheKitty:minnie-walk-ani:

Well atleast he had the guts! - i would but im to lazy so i dont have the strength - lol

Alot of people are quitting, saying VMK has lost it's "magic". Is Yavn losing his "magic" to VMK?

That was kinda mean...
Do you know, how hard these people work?!you try scripting and computing and finding artists, people who are good with children, animators, computer experts, and try making you own mini game where at least 10,000 people play.
Thats 10,000 different minds and opinions. Who all want something different.
Im tired of people putting off Yavn..
Agreed.

He's doing his best, he can't help that
some people are getting bored. I feel
bad for Yavn. He's working so hard on
behind the scene things, and probably
has something big in store for us, but
it is not done yet. He can't take the
time out to write a newsletter freque-
ntly because he is probably busy
making wonderful things.
Sorry, but I disagree. Yavn is doing
an awesome job, and I doubt that
people in VMK can do a great job
like him.

Alot of people are quitting, saying VMK has lost it's "magic". Is Yavn losing his "magic" to VMK?

No. The people who are saying that are losing their own magic.

I think it's true what your saying. Everything in there is the reason why I don't play VMK that often. I play at least once every two weeks.

Also before you send a letter in like that i would check your grammer and punctuation, like you spelt stalk, stock, and when you said other players and me, it is other players and I. LOL sorry my parents correct me for every gramical and punctual error i make..

AND.. somethings he brought up about forever ago still haven't been brought up again. Take flying carpet magic for example. When was the last time you heard about that?

Okay, sure, VMK has lost SOME of its magic, but not all of it.
Have you ever considered that Yavn might be working on a magical new project, oh, I dont know, called the Trading Card Game?
Does that ring any bells?
If you haven't read the Newsletter, Yavn is working very, very hard on the trading card game.
I do believe that your letter is a good awareness of the situation, but maybe Yavn is just working really hard on the Trading Card Game to put out any good costumes.

I agree, but also disagree.
I've been playing since Beta, and am not truly bored or about to quit either.
I think the reason why I am still playing is because I look for what is to come and don't always think the worst of things like some players.

Also, how can you say he is slacking off and not working?
Are you at his work desk watching what he does?
If you know he is slacking and know so much about what he does- are you the stalker you referred to in your letter to him?

I Wrote A Letter To Yavn And Wanted To See What He Had To Say:



I really hope he does realize this and I hope to get a message back from him soon.

I'm sorry but to me nearly all of that letter was a joke. It's basicly impossible to get ''scammed'' in the game. YOU are the person that clicks yes i accept to trade off my random items for nothing in return 3 times. Yavn is also only human (or so we think). He can only do so many things and he also has a life. Your not at his desk trying to brainstorm new ideas and future projects for the game and trying to figure out how to make the game better. Also most people don't like his behavior becuase why again? He doesn't post a newsletter when they want him to? Or is it because his life don't revolve around them? I would like to see you put yourself in his shoes for a day, see what it's like to have 6 million people nagging about when Magic Carpet will be released when they just cant side with the fact that it's a working progress or why he had to re-release items in the game when only a few people had the item to begin with. Also here is my idea on why people think ''VMK is going down hill''. You think the game is going down hill becuase they re-released your favorite hat. Big deal, life goes on, get over it. I know I said this many times before however I'm going to say it again, VMK is not burger king, you can't always have it your own way. The way I look at it is, life will have it's up's and downs but life goes on, keep going, move on with your life and stop being a low life and complaing about the stupidest of things. Does a flip hat that is VIRTUAL have any value to your real life? Does it really? Is it really worth complaing about something that has no value to your real life worth complaining? <--Just my few cents on this whole thread. Also I am sideing somewhat with KrazyLuke on this one.

Ok first, I think that it's a pretty good letter, I'm eager to see a repsonse from Yavn. It's mostly what is happening in VMK, and I admit, I am getting a little bored. But like other people have said, I don't believe he is slacking off. I think he is working his hardest.

Facnyface: How was this a joke? And it's not impossible to get scammed. Sadly, new players will start out with a good item, and trade it for a hat they like, but don't know the value of it. It is easy to get scammed. If it wasn't easy, then on the home page, they wouldn't be talking about tips, and warnings if you scam someone. VMK is not going down-hill because a flip hat came out. If people leave about that, they are plain "sore-losers" But I feel there isn't too many things to do. Maybe it's school getting in the way. But I don't think theres too many things to do. I sometimes just stare at the screen, finding nothing to do. But I do believe he (Yavn) is doing his best, so I have to apreciate all his work and hardness.

honestly its really true. Sure he works hard and all , the games awesome. but not as awesome as it could be. First off in septembers newletter i believe i recall he said in october he would release the trading card game some time in october. what do ya know its november and no advanced. He should NEVER say something is going to be released until its tested and ready to be put out then. Not test it during that time and wait till the next year to realse. I agree with your letter. But yet if I had sent it I would hate myself. Yavn is a good guy. so what if he wants a little break, give it to him. think of it this way, if your dad or mom or aunt or uncle wutever goes to work and comes home, you just tell them to go back to work( which is mean ), instead of hugging them and being happy to see them. pretty much what were doing with yavn here.

Wow, you should have also put in like, and the 10 year bans they get their account deleted after six months. Why? That is how you loose players.

I'm suggesting that ^_^

Also, it was a good letter for yavn to read, and I hope like a QA_,VMK_,and Host_ doesn't get it the true yavn.

You know, it kinda bothers me to send something like this to Yavn when he made us this great game, but this letter is another story. Some of these rants by whiny players are just whiny players. I agree that VMK needs some changes. Hopefully your letter will get through to Yavn.

Bird

That's harsh. Not the letter, but how some people are yelling at you about the letter. VMK does need to improve, and you were willing to straight up tell Yavn about it. We all would like to see some change in VMK to get us wanting to go back on, so don't yell at her about the letter. I think it was great.

I'm sorry but to me nearly all of that letter was a joke. It's basicly impossible to get ''scammed'' in the game. YOU are the person that clicks yes i accept to trade off my random items for nothing in return 3 times. Yavn is also only human (or so we think). He can only do so many things and he also has a life. Your not at his desk trying to brainstorm new ideas and future projects for the game and trying to figure out how to make the game better. Also most people don't like his behavior becuase why again? He doesn't post a newsletter when they want him to? Or is it because his life don't revolve around them? I would like to see you put yourself in his shoes for a day, see what it's like to have 6 million people nagging about when Magic Carpet will be released when they just cant side with the fact that it's a working progress or why he had to re-release items in the game when only a few people had the item to begin with. Also here is my idea on why people think ''VMK is going down hill''. You think the game is going down hill becuase they re-released your favorite hat. Big deal, life goes on, get over it. I know I said this many times before however I'm going to say it again, VMK is not burger king, you can't always have it your own way. The way I look at it is, life will have it's up's and downs but life goes on, keep going, move on with your life and stop being a low life and complaing about the stupidest of things. Does a flip hat that is VIRTUAL have any value to your real life? Does it really? Is it really worth complaing about something that has no value to your real life worth complaining? <--Just my few cents on this whole thread. Also I am sideing somewhat with KrazyLuke on this one.

I have to admit, I mostly agree with everything you said. Not the fact that you think it's a joke, because I could definitely see where the letter is coming from because I felt like that for while. But some things just weren't really reasonable in my opinion. First of all, I think Yavn is aware of everything you mentioned saying that you want him to notice. Scams, people leaving, people getting mad. Second, we don't know what's going to even come in the future, so I don't think it's really rational to tell him to make better things that will bring people back because he is already working on new things. Also, Yavn probably doesn't care much about people leaving as long as people are still joining. People have been quitting every day since VMK began. (Maybe not the first day, but it's definitely possible.) So I think we should all wait and see what Yavn has in store. If it's something completely stupid and horrible, then I see a reason to send him a letter. But right now we don't know what is heading our way, so I would just sit tight and wait.

I, for one, think Yavn is doing a great job. We had Dream Month. Oh, I loved that and now we have this month with a new costume, the flowers and the ride a thon coming up with the furniture. I can't wait. I have been here since beta and I have no intension of leaving now or anytime soon. Please chill out and enjoy the magic. Angel Fancy :pilgrims:

I disagree. Whatever you think, this is my opinion,
don't tell me I'm wrong. This game could be A LOT
worse. I think he's keeping up with it perfectly. To
send that letter to him making it sound like NOBODY
is happy with vmk is quite rude. You obviously don't
know how much work he does. I know I enjoy his
work in vmk, that's why I play it. If you don't enjoy
it why are you playing it? @_@

I disagree. Whatever you think, this is my opinion,
don't tell me I'm wrong. This game could be A LOT
worse. I think he's keeping up with it perfectly. To
send that letter to him making it sound like NOBODY
is happy with vmk is quite rude. You obviously don't
know how much work he does. I know I enjoy his
work in vmk, that's why I play it. If you don't enjoy
it why are you playing it? @_@

I also agree with this statement! He keeps up with the game and everyone in it just as good as everyone else. Also why are you pinpointing it all on him? There's over 10 more testers/producers and almost over 50 staff in the game? Why not send it to the mas well? Why only him? To me this is starting to sound like flameing at yavn.

give her a break at least she had the guts to send a letter to Yavn

I think the main thing is that people that like to complain about things will never be satified with the things they have and they also will live a horrible life, because they think everything needs to be perfect and wonderful for them, because it's "what they want".

give her a break at least she had the guts to send a letter to Yavn

It doesn't take that much guts >_<
I would send a letter if I was unhappy
with VMK, However; I'm not.

Let's be honest. Nobody here knows how hard Yavn works. Nobody here really knows his detailed job description, his specific duties, or his schedule. Most importantly, nobody knows if the original Yavn is even still with VMK or in what capacity.

I find it amusing that so many people are quick to defend and make excuses for a person they don't even know; someone I'm sure gets paid well to do his job. This isn't a volunteer organization. He doesn't need our endless and unconditional praise to make it through the day. Sure, he has to put a certain amount of effort into the game, but I would never classify it as "hard" work. He obviously wanted this job and he is fortunate that he's been able to use his talents to work in a field he enjoys. There are thousands of worse jobs out there, where people have to perform mindless and repetitive tasks and don't get to do work that inspires them. He should be able to take criticism, and he should use that criticism to continually improve his product.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a letter like this, but unfortunately, I do have my doubts that it will ever reach its intended party or make any sort of difference. VMK's management seems pretty content to do things how they see fit, while giving little regard for their "non-paying" customers. Good luck to you.

I think the main thing is that people that like to complain about things will never be satified with the things they have and they also will live a horrible life, because they think everything needs to be perfect and wonderful for them, because it's "what they want".

I agree. Also with the fact that if you have to complain that 1 item has 1 messed up pixel you have to complain and complain till they fix it then you have no life.

I agree with your letter. I think that it's helpful, not hurtful. If I was doing something that I could higher my standards on I would like to hear from the people. Yes, I think that Yavn does a really good job, but maybe having some helpful comments on what people are thinking of the game would help. I think that he's doing a really good job on creating new items, and I think that the Royal items right now are beautiful.
Good luck on getting a response!
:turkeytalk:

I agree with your letter. I think that it's helpful, not hurtful. If I was doing something that I could higher my standards on I would like to hear from the people. Yes, I think that Yavn does a really good job, but maybe having some helpful comments on what people are thinking of the game would help. I think that he's doing a really good job on creating new items, and I think that the Royal items right now are beautiful.
Good luck on getting a response!
:turkeytalk:

Yea but a nice comment would be more like it. Not a rant from some ''society'' becuase they don't like the way you work.

it's turning back into the beta ages so many bugs alot of lag and DC but badder like scamming back talking fighting not following the values!!




- magic_Parade:pixiedust:

it's turning back into the beta ages so many bugs alot of lag and DC but badder like scamming back talking fighting not following the values!!




- magic_Parade:pixiedust:

I have no problems with DC or bugs anymore. everything seems to be working fine on my end. And as far as scamming, you can only get scammed if your hacked, and that's very very unlikely.

Well, since everyone is giving their opinion, I think it's about time good old Twisty gave hers.

I disagree with this letter. Now, just because I said that, don't go off at me. I read it over a few times and I went along with this decision. The reason I disagree? Because Yavn works so hard to make VMK the best 'Virtual Magic Kingdom' he can. Sure, some people are getting older, so they think VMK is getting lame, but some people think this is the best website and virtual game they have ever played. I know you were trying to help Yavn, but it sounded like you wanted to run the game for him. It also sounded like you said everything he did was wrong. I'm sorry, but no one wants to hear that. What if you worked hours on a book report to make it perfect, and one mean girl comes up to you and says that it was the worst book report she has ever seen? That has to hurt. It's kinda what you did to Yavn, but not as worse. Those ideas in there are very good, but try to put it into a better way. Like, put it as 'Suggestions for VMK'. He would be very happy with that. =)

Just my 2 cents,
Twisty :turkey1:

It's quite honest - but I wonder how you'd feel receiving a letter specifically, hypothetically, from me, saying that you work hard, but not hard enough. A letter mentioning how your work isn't pleasing, especially to me and because I find all the time you put in boring to the game, I'd rather be doing something else.

You must realize that VMK is not a life - it is a virtual reality game. To quote cooljamz, "Thats 10,000 different minds and opinions. Who all want something different." Cooljamz is correct: there are thousands of players on VMK daily, and we all want something different.

I, unlike you, as it seems ("what is there to do? chat with friends? VIRTUAL friends?", "the worlds are getting more and more boring because there is nothing for us to do. Play mini-games? buy overpriced Virtual items? Trade for items that get scammed?"), have much more fun hanging out in friend's rooms and doing fun trades and playing mini-games with my "virtual friends" to earn credits and help them out. We have fun little games in the rooms, and share stories of our days. Clearly, you don't appreciate the fun that I, as another player, have.

As for your beta comment ("I know this may sound crazy, but do you remember the old days of VMK? The beta time? It was nice, players were new and they had a goal. They had time to explore, what is exploring for now? the beta players have moved on with there life because VMK is getting boring."), the REAL world is about seeing new things, exploring them, and moving on as you mature. If you think about it, assuming you have an iPod or perhaps a cell phone, it was certainly fun to explore and mess around with, until soon enough it becomes another electronic you own and use, possibly daily. I was a beta player, and I still find a way to have fun...my VMK life is not just about trading and having "new" things.

In conclusion, I'm sorry VMK is boring you - maybe, though, you should recognize that you are not showing appropriate decorum towards Yavn's work: he is a very important man at VMK, and although he may not play often, he has certainly put in a lot of time at VMK. This time, however, is not all for you - it is for new players, workers, and others who enjoy their hour or more spent on VMK. I enjoyed reading your letter, and understanding your point of view - but please take the time to think of all Yavn has done for you and your experiences on VMK: you clearly care about VMK, as you were articulate in explaining the issues you have with VMK and want them resolved, but I don't quite know that your argument is a fair one.

Let's be honest. Nobody here knows how hard Yavn works. Nobody here really knows his detailed job description, his specific duties, or his schedule. Most importantly, nobody knows if the original Yavn is even still with VMK or in what capacity.

I find it amusing that so many people are quick to defend and make excuses for a person they don't even know; someone I'm sure gets paid well to do his job. This isn't a volunteer organization. He doesn't need our endless and unconditional praise to make it through the day. Sure, he has to put a certain amount of effort into the game, but I would never classify it as "hard" work. He obviously wanted this job and he is fortunate that he's been able to use his talents to work in a field he enjoys. There are thousands of worse jobs out there, where people have to perform mindless and repetitive tasks and don't get to do work that inspires them. He should be able to take criticism, and he should use that criticism to continually improve his product.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a letter like this, but unfortunately, I do have my doubts that it will ever reach its intended party or make any sort of difference. VMK's management seems pretty content to do things how they see fit, while giving little regard for their "non-paying" customers. Good luck to you.

I am on ends about all of this. It's a virtual game, it's extremely difficult and costly to create a new room, it sounds fairly easy, but it's not. On ClubPenguin it takes half a year to even get all the in's and out's to make a room. Yet I do feel Yavn and his crew could manage to get a new room up every now and then.

Overall in my opinion, the staff is far to strict. Yes, I notice they want to keep the game a, "fun safe place for everyone", but how are you doing so by banning people for months on end for the most random of things? I can see a couple weeks for saying, something inappropriate but a month? This isn't all about me, I've heard of alot of unjustice bannings. And it all comes down to that unheard of, permanent ban. You get banned a few times for something harmless, that's it. No one cares if you say something that means nothing. If your giving all your personal information away, okay ta-ta have a nice time in ban land. But banning for harmless stuff, when you find it, "unesscary" to ban someone for giving out their address, is absurd.

I am happy with how the game is going, I have few peeves here and there, but I wouldn't send a rude letter like that. If you feel that way, congratulations. But, don't make it sound like we're all threatening to do something inappropriate.

Yavn isn't making the game worse its just that we are getting older... have you ever thought about it like that?

Yavn isn't making the game worse its just that we are getting older... have you ever thought about it like that?

Astroluigi said it perfectly. I quote my previous post, "the REAL world is about seeing new things, exploring them, and moving on as you mature", and I for sure believe that you should also see VMK not as a permanent game for you, as sure enough, some things you slowly grow out of.

I cant believe it. Its my thoughts exactly.

MY MASTER PLAN:

Organize a number of people to write similar letters. Maybe 100. Its a lot, but with voices of thunder, they'll listen.

Someone should organize this. Any thoughts?

Yavn isn't making the game worse its just that we are getting older... have you ever thought about it like that?

I said that in my paragraph. We are just getting older. The younger kids are the ones who are enjoying it.

Astroluigi said it perfectly. I quote my previous post, "the REAL world is about seeing new things, exploring them, and moving on as you mature", and I for sure believe that you should also see VMK not as a permanent game for you, as sure enough, some things you slowly grow out of.

I agree, I played ClubPenguin for three years, then quit. Well, of course I was perma-banned, but I could have made a different account.

The actual Disney last's for ever in one's heart, however a virtual game online gets a little boring after a while.

I agree with you on that, definitly. This last year I left vmk for about 7 months because it got boring and now hopefully your letter will be an eye opener and get VMK back to its expectations :)

That's harsh. Not the letter, but how some people are yelling at you about the letter. VMK does need to improve, and you were willing to straight up tell Yavn about it. We all would like to see some change in VMK to get us wanting to go back on, so don't yell at her about the letter. I think it was great.

This is true. There's no reason to yell at Disney(101). She's only expressing her opinions on some of the issues in game that need to be addressed. More power to ya' Disney(101)!

Bird

Yes that is my point. He is giving less and less effort which needs to change.

Well, if it is there job, I suggest working harder because it is there job to make an excellent game, do we see that? NO.

LOL yeah sorry, I forgot, thanks for correcting me.

I am sure he is busy with a project. It seems like if VMK doesn't release a new item every week, people go nuts about how bad it is getting.

As for your grammar, I think you mean "their" not "there".


I never said he doesn't know how to run VMK, I said that he needs to put forth effort to his own game. We understand he works hard but the effort is becoming a little less everyday.

How do you know it is becoming a little less everyday?

No. The people who are saying that are losing their own magic.

I agree!

I think it's true what your saying. Everything in there is the reason why I don't play VMK that often. I play at least once every two weeks.

Also before you send a letter in like that i would check your grammer and punctuation, like you spelt stalk, stock, and when you said other players and me, it is other players and I. LOL sorry my parents correct me for every gramical and punctual error i make..

AND.. somethings he brought up about forever ago still haven't been brought up again. Take flying carpet magic for example. When was the last time you heard about that?

Is "spelt" a real word? I think I am going to have to check on this one? LOL

I agree, but also disagree.
I've been playing since Beta, and am not truly bored or about to quit either.
I think the reason why I am still playing is because I look for what is to come and don't always think the worst of things like some players.

Also, how can you say he is slacking off and not working?
Are you at his work desk watching what he does?
If you know he is slacking and know so much about what he does- are you the stalker you referred to in your letter to him?

give her a break at least she had the guts to send a letter to Yavn

But...would he/she have the "guts" to say it to Yavn if they were standing face to face?

Let's be honest. Nobody here knows how hard Yavn works. Nobody here really knows his detailed job description, his specific duties, or his schedule. Most importantly, nobody knows if the original Yavn is even still with VMK or in what capacity.

I find it amusing that so many people are quick to defend and make excuses for a person they don't even know; someone I'm sure gets paid well to do his job. This isn't a volunteer organization. He doesn't need our endless and unconditional praise to make it through the day. Sure, he has to put a certain amount of effort into the game, but I would never classify it as "hard" work. He obviously wanted this job and he is fortunate that he's been able to use his talents to work in a field he enjoys. There are thousands of worse jobs out there, where people have to perform mindless and repetitive tasks and don't get to do work that inspires them. He should be able to take criticism, and he should use that criticism to continually improve his product.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a letter like this, but unfortunately, I do have my doubts that it will ever reach its intended party or make any sort of difference. VMK's management seems pretty content to do things how they see fit, while giving little regard for their "non-paying" customers. Good luck to you.

The only thing I really find wrong with this letter is there is no creative criticism. Everything in the letter was about how this is bad and that is wrong and so on and so on. If you send a letter like this, you really need to have some possible suggestions or ideas that you think would help improve the subject.

I think the main thing is that people that like to complain about things will never be satified with the things they have and they also will live a horrible life, because they think everything needs to be perfect and wonderful for them, because it's "what they want".

Yeah! Just wait until they have to get out into the real world and see how perfect it is. And when they complain, see how long it takes to find someone who cares. Good Luck.


One last thing. Disney101 talks about what is going on in VMK like scams and trades. What is so bad about trades? I like it and if someone else doesn't like it, then don't do it.

This is just my nickels worth (actually, more like fifty cents worth) on the subject.

I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving!:turkeydanceani::pilgrims::turkeydanc eani:

TYhis Is Right. mini games arnet that fun ither, it dose nede more and the thing you say. im strtting to play toontown more ( yeah i love it ) but it hardley has any updates ither.

I agree.
They game does need some new stuff but also remember the game IS free.

I agree.
They game does need some new stuff but also remember the game IS free.

For some people who don't live by the Disney parks to buy the cards. For others, they pay by buying the cards. I have a friend on VMK who said she couldn't buy any more cards this year, because she already spent $500 on cards alone. And besides that, the cards are EXSPENSIVE and awfully OVER PRICED.

I loved VMK used to play it everyday. It always seemed like a new adventure! The letter has some storng emotion in it but sometimes showing the truth isnt always easy. VMK seems as if it may never regain its magic.

i think that was an awesome letter it is really true too. i hope yavn says some thing back :woohoo::smiley4:

For some people who don't live by the Disney parks to buy the cards. For others, they pay by buying the cards. I have a friend on VMK who said she couldn't buy any more cards this year, because she already spent $500 on cards alone. And besides that, the cards are EXSPENSIVE and awfully OVER PRICED.

It is a chain, u play, u buy for stuff ..to get stuff u must go to the park, u keep playing, u want more u go back...get it? They are only interested in MONEY 3/4 of the people who work in parks have never heard of VMK! Just sayin

Quote:"Well, if it is there job, I suggest working harder because it is there job to make an excellent game, do we see that? NO."
End quote.

What? How can you say that? They're people.They're trying their best.I personally love the game for what it is. Don't just be like "Oh, I want more!I want more!"
You should have the right attitude and thank them for everything they've done.
Sure, they've made mistakes.
But they've made right choices, too!
I'm, it's just...
I know some people think he has made a lot of wrong decisions. EVERYBODY has their own opinion.But, they're only pointing out the bad stuff! They NEVER thank him.
I know some people do, but most ranters(if that's what they're called..oh wait i mean protesters..i guess ^^) don't appreciate anything.
OK.Now that my rant is over, I hope you see this Yavn, because I want to sayy...THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!!

Pretty good letter. Lotsa bad grammar in it tho. But I doubt Yavn will care.

Why do I keep switching sides? Oh, right I'm on no one's side.

I agree and I disagree, if they want to charge that much for the cards, and then get more money from people going to the parks to get the cards, okay, your not the only obbsessed with money company. But, to do that you have to give the people something in return, you have to update the game, and stay on your job. But, guys don't get greedy, I'm sure they are all very hard workers, but what no one understands they are busy trying to make the game safe. There's way to many weirdos out there, and though it may not seem like it, they know that any one on that game could be someone awful. So, basically right now there more focused on the overall safety of the game, rather what the players want. Sounds wrong for them to care about pretty much how good it will look having some super safe game, but in a way it's right. So it's not like Yavn or anyone else that works for VMK are not doing there job, they just can't do a million things at a time, as Pepsi said, 'They're people.'

This is a nice letter. I hope you replies back to you with a positive speaking. :-)

Quote:"Well, if it is there job, I suggest working harder because it is there job to make an excellent game, do we see that? NO."
End quote.

What? How can you say that? They're people.They're trying their best.I personally love the game for what it is. Don't just be like "Oh, I want more!I want more!"
You should have the right attitude and thank them for everything they've done.
Sure, they've made mistakes.
But they've made right choices, too!
I'm, it's just...
I know some people think he has made a lot of wrong decisions. EVERYBODY has their own opinion.But, they're only pointing out the bad stuff! They NEVER thank him.
I know some people do, but most ranters(if that's what they're called..oh wait i mean protesters..i guess ^^) don't appreciate anything.
OK.Now that my rant is over, I hope you see this Yavn, because I want to sayy...THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!!

How would you know they havent thanked him?
Our world would be nothing without criticizing..do you think if someone baked adisguisting cake and someone said "THANK YOU FOR THE CAKE!!" they would have alot of business? They should say That was badly made.
How can you think most ranters dont appreciate anything!?
I rant and i appreciate things!!
You said your rant was over doesnt that make you a ranter? Doesnt that mean your saying you dont appreciate anything?!?!
Its not like he gave yavn a slap in the face and said "Your game stinks, work harder fool" Nooo he didnt!
Its called constructive critisism!

THINK ABOUT THAT.

>_< Be back when im not mad.

Agreed.

He's doing his best, he can't help that
some people are getting bored. I feel
bad for Yavn. He's working so hard on
behind the scene things, and probably
has something big in store for us, but
it is not done yet. He can't take the
time out to write a newsletter freque-
ntly because he is probably busy
making wonderful things.
Sorry, but I disagree. Yavn is doing
an awesome job, and I doubt that
people in VMK can do a great job
like him.

How can you agree to this statement?! Do you realize how many producers there are in the VMK System? Check the cast members list -.- It is either that the other producers quit or there is something wrong with them because they should be helping them. The only producer I've ever seen is apate and I have a picture to prove it. What do they do? I have no idea. Yavn has a set of other staff members that help them so how could he be working hard while we wait and wait until we get more addicted. I don't think he is making items either....He has testers to do that....and for pins..TIKIT!

Here is the pic :D (sorry if that sounded mean):
http://xs222.******/xs222/07490/apate.gif (http://******)


What? How can you say that? They're people.They're trying their best.I personally love the game for what it is. Don't just be like "Oh, I want more!I want more!"
You should have the right attitude and thank them for everything they've done.
Sure, they've made mistakes.
But they've made right choices, too!
I'm, it's just...
I know some people think he has made a lot of wrong decisions. EVERYBODY has their own opinion.But, they're only pointing out the bad stuff! They NEVER thank him.
I know some people do, but most ranters(if that's what they're called..oh wait i mean protesters..i guess ^^) don't appreciate anything.
OK.Now that my rant is over, I hope you see this Yavn, because I want to sayy...THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!!

FYI, people need to take constructed criticism , without it, the staff wouldn't know how to improve the game.

Let's be honest. Nobody here knows how hard Yavn works. Nobody here really knows his detailed job description, his specific duties, or his schedule. Most importantly, nobody knows if the original Yavn is even still with VMK or in what capacity.

I find it amusing that so many people are quick to defend and make excuses for a person they don't even know; someone I'm sure gets paid well to do his job. This isn't a volunteer organization. He doesn't need our endless and unconditional praise to make it through the day. Sure, he has to put a certain amount of effort into the game, but I would never classify it as "hard" work. He obviously wanted this job and he is fortunate that he's been able to use his talents to work in a field he enjoys. There are thousands of worse jobs out there, where people have to perform mindless and repetitive tasks and don't get to do work that inspires them. He should be able to take criticism, and he should use that criticism to continually improve his product.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a letter like this, but unfortunately, I do have my doubts that it will ever reach its intended party or make any sort of difference. VMK's management seems pretty content to do things how they see fit, while giving little regard for their "non-paying" customers. Good luck to you.

AGREED :)

i agree with disney101!

The only producer I've ever seen is apate and I have a picture to prove it.
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http://xs222.******/xs222/07490/apate.gif
That's an odd one. I wonder why a male player would choose the name of a female mythological figure? The spirit of fraud and deception, no less. You don't have a picture of the profile with a signature and staff badge, by any chance, do you?

errrrrrr jam, not to like, put ya down but, this letter is right in every way, in fact if it was mine, i wouldve made it meaner, yavn hasn't..... you know, really lived up to his past expectations

That's an odd one. I wonder why a male player would choose the name of a female mythological figure? The spirit of fraud and deception, no less. You don't have a picture of the profile with a signature and staff badge, by any chance, do you?

Maybe it's his initials and last name or something and the whole goddess thing is a coincidence. Or, it's a... kind of odd guy.

Omg this letter is an insult... Say you were yavn, and I give you that letter... HOW WOULD YOU FEEL! Like this is the biggest insult ive heard in my LIFE! You know yavn is trying his best to make VMK better, but he is not the creator of VMK... Like HUNDREDS of people helped make VMK, HUNDREDS of players suggest some updates, you should GROW UP like im <young> and yet, I have the sence NOT to insult people! Everyone tries their hardest, but you know what, VMK was made to have FUN not to comment on how bad it is, just find another website! Thats what I do everytime I quit a website... Ok now go and quit VMK if you want to comment on it... If you dont want to then dont comment on how they are working cause yavn worked hard and needs a break from 2005-2007! If you were him and worked hard you would want to take a break too! GOOD DAY

Omg this letter is an insult... Say you were yavn, and I give you that letter... HOW WOULD YOU FEEL! Like this is the biggest insult ive heard in my LIFE! You know yavn is trying his best to make VMK better, but he is not the creator of VMK... Like HUNDREDS of people helped make VMK, HUNDREDS of players suggest some updates, you should GROW UP like im <young> and yet, I have the sence NOT to insult people! Everyone tries their hardest, but you know what, VMK was made to have FUN not to comment on how bad it is, just find another website! Thats what I do everytime I quit a website... Ok now go and quit VMK if you want to comment on it... If you dont want to then dont comment on how they are working cause yavn worked hard and needs a break from 2005-2007! If you were him and worked hard you would want to take a break too! GOOD DAY

If this is the biggest insult you've ever heard in your life, you live a very privileged life.
I spelled better than you do when I was <younger>.
VMK is a community (I can't say a growing community, though). Like any community, its members are not always happy with who is in charge. Since Yavn has presented himself as that leader, there will always be people who think what he's doing isn't good enough.
The attempt at logic that I have highlighted in bold and underlined makes absolutely no sense.

Good day.

It really bothers me that someone could say that yavn is "slacking off" Have you ever been to his office? Have you ever seen him in-game? Yavn works really hard to help the players.

I mean, if you don't like the way he is running the game, why don't you try to create your own? Have you ever wondered how much money, hours, and efford took to create VMK? He didn't just go "Hey, I think I'll create a new online game today!" This kind of stuff takes lots and lots of time.

So, if you think yavn isn't doing a good job why don't you take his place?

Disappointed in many VMK players,
the_phoenix.

It really bothers me that someone could say that yavn is "slacking off" Have you ever been to his office? Have you ever seen him in-game? Yavn works really hard to help the players.

I mean, if you don't like the way he is running the game, why don't you try to create your own? Have you ever wondered how much money, hours, and efford took to create VMK? He didn't just go "Hey, I think I'll create a new online game today!" This kind of stuff takes lots and lots of time.

So, if you think yavn isn't doing a good job why don't you take his place?

Disappointed in many VMK players,
the_phoenix.

Have you ever been in his office?

Have you ever been in his office?

If I answered that, I would be giving out my name - which I won't. I have met yavn in WDW, however. He's a really nice guy and I think you guys should know that. When I thanked him for VMK, he simply replied "Thank you! We're working really hard on new stuff!".

Note: DO NOT ask me for a picture of yavn - for I will NOT give it.

thats really cool that you got to see yavn in WDW the

Was there anything else yavn said when you were there? How did you find him?

I found yavn a year ago outside VMK Central. We chatted for about three minutes and then he had to leave ----- he runs funny :xshocked::xshocked:

I found yavn a year ago outside VMK Central. We chatted for about three minutes and then he had to leave ----- he runs funny :xshocked::xshocked:

:OH did he have like a sign I AM YAVN or something?? LOL or did he have a nametag? was he playing vmk?? LOL

:OH did he have like a sign I AM YAVN or something?? LOL or did he have a nametag? was he playing vmk?? LOL

He just came up to me and asked me if I liked the game. I said "Yeah!!" and he introduced himself as BEEP!! (Like I said, I won't give out his real name....)
and that's when I noticed his name tag. It was the offical VMK Disney cast pin (It's the VMK sign and it's all blue). When I asked him what was his VMK name, he simply said: "I'm yavn in VMK --- Well, nice seeing you BEEP! (again, there is a name.... only this time was mine). See you in VMK!"

My stayed in the form of an O for the next two days

No, talking about Yavn meeting the just came up.

the bit where you say 'but do you remember the old days of VMK? The beta time? It was nice, players were new and they had a goal.'
Well not really... People like to talk about how great the beta period was, but the reality was far different. Many of the problem players were there almost from the beginning, and other behaviors were also as common then as now. The biggest difference is that now we have a lot more people, so you might see more of these problems. In addition, there were lots and lots of game problems that were constant irritants - photos that wouldn't stay on walls, photos that couldn't be removed from walls, and people who would lose their arms are just a few examples.

1.Um , you probably won't get a reply and YAVN would probably not ever get it.
2. They just released new items and a new rooms .
3. Insulting one of the man creators of VMK won't do you any good.
4. Loosing players might not have to do with the game , it could be the virtual friends they have or they lost interest ( You can't keep everyones interest all of the time ).
5. VMK moderators work around the clock to keep this game running and thinking up of new ideas.
6.It's just not cool to insult one of the main people who've spent sooooo much time making vmk .

Maybe it's his initials and last name or something and the whole goddess thing is a coincidence. Or, it's a... kind of odd guy.Actually, I've followed up on this, and the staff member 'Apate' is female. She doesn't seem to have been seen since the summer of '06, though - or at least I'm not finding any mentions of her later than that - so it's possible that her account was deleted, which would have freed up her title for someone else to register it.

He is, after all, the appointed ombudsman or "talking head" for VMK. I think their budget for 2007 was gone a long time ago and that a few months into 2008 we should see some improvements.

That doesn't mean that we can't complain that VMK has "jumped the shark". It's about time for either VMK to be re-worked with better technology (from the pieces of "improvements" I have seen I don't think that's the case) or will be left somewhat abandoned as newer cooler technology games take over.

My vote is that VMK will return to glory over the next two years with some kind of awesome upgrade. I mean, they're investing in California Adventure, so they must have some investment capital :) :) I say for Fall 2008 a new improved graphics engine with better graphics. Will it be 100% free and flash? I don't know.

-Kit

For those of you debating about whether yavn is important or not:

Yavn is the figurehead of VMK. He plays an important job in the creation of items. While he has spread some misinformation from time to time (he's human just like the rest of us, I'm sure), he has done his part in contributing to the functioning of this game.

I'm sure that nobody who has posted here is starstruck of the_phoenix meeting yavn in-park. There have been multiple people who have met him in park, and the_phoenix is telling how he believes yavn would act as a person (rather than a figurehead who has been known to misguide some now and then, or not perform his job adequately in the eyes of some), based on his encounter of him in real life.

My personal belief on the matter is that yavn is doing a fine job of keeping VMK running. Like I have stated above, he is only human and is prone to making some mistakes. One of these mistakes may include not learning from past mistakes - which is probably the only thing that I could say against him (or more specifically - VMK producers in general). Once again, overall he has contributed so much to VMK that the game might not have been as good as it would have been without him.

Be careful what you wish for. Today you wish that yavn would stop misleading players - tomorrow he isn't there to mislead players, and nor is VMK.

My friends and i get stalked on vmk by this girl but staff never help when we report her.They don't bother helping us and this girl causes us so much trouble so lots of my friends quit vmk because of it.I've been banned for no reason from false reports and i think thats what make people quit. VMK does get quite boring at times as well. They have to create new things that give players interest like more new public rooms to explore.

He is, after all, the appointed ombudsman or "talking head" for VMK. I think their budget for 2007 was gone a long time ago and that a few months into 2008 we should see some improvements.

That doesn't mean that we can't complain that VMK has "jumped the shark". It's about time for either VMK to be re-worked with better technology (from the pieces of "improvements" I have seen I don't think that's the case) or will be left somewhat abandoned as newer cooler technology games take over.

My vote is that VMK will return to glory over the next two years with some kind of awesome upgrade. I mean, they're investing in California Adventure, so they must have some investment capital :) :) I say for Fall 2008 a new improved graphics engine with better graphics. Will it be 100% free and flash? I don't know.

-Kit
AGREED.
Actually, I've followed up on this, and the staff member 'Apate' is female. She doesn't seem to have been seen since the summer of '06, though - or at least I'm not finding any mentions of her later than that - so it's possible that her account was deleted, which would have freed up her title for someone else to register it.
:OH I didn't know that...!
For those of you debating about whether yavn is important or not:

Yavn is the figurehead of VMK. He plays an important job in the creation of items. While he has spread some misinformation from time to time (he's human just like the rest of us, I'm sure), he has done his part in contributing to the functioning of this game.

I'm sure that nobody who has posted here is starstruck of the_phoenix meeting yavn in-park. There have been multiple people who have met him in park, and the_phoenix is telling how he believes yavn would act as a person (rather than a figurehead who has been known to misguide some now and then, or not perform his job adequately in the eyes of some), based on his encounter of him in real life.

My personal belief on the matter is that yavn is doing a fine job of keeping VMK running. Like I have stated above, he is only human and is prone to making some mistakes. One of these mistakes may include not learning from past mistakes - which is probably the only thing that I could say against him (or more specifically - VMK producers in general). Once again, overall he has contributed so much to VMK that the game might not have been as good as it would have been without him.

Be careful what you wish for. Today you wish that yavn would stop misleading players - tomorrow he isn't there to mislead players, and nor is VMK.
heh your right it could be much worse, but we need to shake him a little, maybe he's getting bored with vmk as well? O_O
My friends and i get stalked on vmk by this girl but staff never help when we report her.They don't bother helping us and this girl causes us so much trouble so lots of my friends quit vmk because of it.I've been banned for no reason from false reports and i think thats what make people quit. VMK does get quite boring at times as well. They have to create new things that give players interest like more new public rooms to explore.
there are 3 ways to avoid this:

1. delete her from your friend list
2. Boot her out of the room
3. Ignore her/report her


I AGREE WITH KIT.

That was kinda mean...
Do you know, how hard these people work?!you try scripting and computing and finding artists, people who are good with children, animators, computer experts, and try making you own mini game where at least 10,000 people play.
Thats 10,000 different minds and opinions. Who all want something different.
Im tired of people putting off Yavn..

But without public opinion, they wouldn't know how to make it better. I know what your trying to say though.
Perhaps you could incorperate other people's opinions too and quote it in the letter.

I agree with the letter. it is not flaming yavn, it's called "Constructive criticism" (sp?). we have been waiting for the trading card game for quite a few months, and the magic carpet pin has been announced but never released, we've been waiting for over a year, hurry up for goodness sake. However, i also disagree. I dont think he is slacking off, and i don't think no new items are the roots of the people leaving problem. i think that the waiting for the trading card game and the magic carpet magic are the roots of the problem. VMKers are starting to get impatient of waiting. once again, hurry up!

-MMM

It's a good letter and I applaud you for sending to him what you think should be done to improve VMK. Although it's just your opinion and one letter might not work, not saying that others have not sent him letters already.

On the other hand, in my opinion it does not seem like he is giving less and less effort. It seems to me like he is really trying and VMK has enhanced over the past years.

In defense of Disney101, you can't scold her opinion. This is how she truly feels about the situation. - Nice letter by the way, might not be the majority of VMK players decision though.

Thats a really long letter, but i think its a good letter. I understand what you mean.


P.S. I WANT HIM TO BRING FIREWORKS GAME CREDITS BACK! :(

I think it's good. VMK is losing it... if things don't start changing soon, there will be rough waters ahead.

Yeah i agree with you.. Yavn and his staff members work really hard to make vmk a fun and safer better place Yavn tries really hard to not make players bored or make other people scam he cant like watch 4,000 people at once at what their doing it's hard for them.

he hasn't answered yet. Let me check the last time he has been online.
Heh...
anymore comments?

The only thoughts lingering in my head about this letter is:

VMK was only going to be a temporary game to last during the 50th Celebration. The fact that it has carried on is due to it's popularity and Yavn keeping it going. Without those, VMK would be gone. Also, if you demand bigger and better, VMK may change to a pay game. One of it's greatest joys is being free to anyone. I would not pay to play. I am a beta days player and have reduced my VMK time by 75% percent in the last year. I miss it, but then again I don't. I do miss seeing all the older players and relish when I see a name that doesn't have three words to it (like what is recommended to new players). I miss seeing my old friends that have also reduced their VMK time, or changed to Pirates.

I hope your letter is heard.

I would like to hear what Yavn thinks about the new generations playing VMK. This is a "grass roots" thing since Disney hasn't done any really big promotions. While I hope "Yavn" gets a change to move to a higher job at Disney, I also hope he stays as long as possible because he probably knows more that most how much we love VMK.

We are all "growing up" and will probably eventually grow out of VMK. But with Toon Town getting to the end of its story within a year or so, I really hope that announce a new and better game that's G rated like VMK and Toon Town.

No, inho Peneguins doesn't count :) hehehe

-Kit-

he hasn't answered yet. Let me check the last time he has been online.
Heh...
anymore comments?
If I were yavn, I wouldn't answer to the letter.

Have we forgotten about the online Cars game? It was mentioned by Disney towards the end of last year. I'd have to search back through my podcasts to find when it was originally spoke of.