As you all know Disney's California Adventure opened in 2001 With Amazing rides and shows. The Sun Wheel is where the disney company went wrong. Walt Disney Said he NEVER wanted a ferris wheel in any of his parks. But I guess ( Iser ?spelling ??) Igorned that.

We think you mean Eisner. You were getting close here to Iger, the current Disney president who was not involved with DCA. -- Gatsby

Could you please cite your source?

I dont think he said he never wanted a ferris wheel but he did say something like he didnt want a board walk type theme park. but i dont remember the source for that one sorry

Source? Does Walt count as a source?

He said constantly that he wanted Disneyland to be separate from the tacky traveling carnivals and sideshows. Well, that's exactly what they built at Paradise Pier. DCA is a park Walt never would have built himself. It's not even treated as its own park. It's primarily an overflow area for DLR. Poor planning.

When did walt say it?

DCA is that "2007" Park just to take away from the parking lot to do some "Wuzzup Dude! Lez go on da Cali Screamin! Wooterz!" people some good.

Yep. I've read serveral articles where Walt was quoted as stating that he "didn't want a ferris wheel" in his park. In those days people questioned how he could build a theme park without a ferris wheel.

I don't know if he meant he NEVER wanted a ferris wheel in ANY of his parks, however he certainly wasn't going to allow one to be in Disneyland, or the Magic Kingdom.

Here's an article for those of you looking for some sort of citation:

http://disney.go.com/disneyatoz/familymuseum/collection/masterworks/disneyland/

Well I bet he would not like CGC Pixar anamation either.. But they did that. Well I guess because he liked future gadgets and stuff like that, but he would NEVER let the pixarization happen. He also would not let all the un-original rides open up in Disney. Face it. Now Disney is truly a bussiness, not just to make people happy, like it used to be. Not everybody can be like Walt.. Thats why it is my dream to run Disney sometime.. And fix everything.

When did walt say it?

Often. And we were taught all about his philosophies upon hiring into the company.

Well I bet he would not like CGC Pixar anamation either.. But they did that. Well I guess because he liked future gadgets and stuff like that, but he would NEVER let the pixarization happen.

PIXAR? No. But I bet anything that if he were alive today, he'd be using the same new technology. He innovated many of the technologies for hand-drawn animation. He led the way. I'm sure he would have been the first to use CG.

He also would not let all the un-original rides open up in Disney. Face it.

Hate to break it to you, but Walt never wrote any of the "classic" Disney stories. Most were fairy tales and children's books he merely "adapted". Sure, there might not be an Indiana Jones Adventure or Star Tours, but he would have created something just as good.

And for all of you dumping on PIXAR? They have done something Walt never did. Create original stories. They are well-told, superbly animated films that are drawing more visitors than anything Disney has put out themselves lately.

PIXAR is becoming what Walt wanted Disney Animation to be.

Ok. Don't flip out. Personally I like DCA, and there's a bit of spice and Disney magic. I respect Walts wishes on how he doesn't want it to turn into a regular park, and paradise pier is a perfect example to it, but its just a side thing that some people can enjoy.

looks like the company failed walt twenty years ago too when they put a ferris wheel in front of the main street train station for state fair in '87 and '88

Often. And we were taught all about his philosophies upon hiring into the company.



PIXAR? No. But I bet anything that if he were alive today, he'd be using the same new technology. He innovated many of the technologies for hand-drawn animation. He led the way. I'm sure he would have been the first to use CG.

Yes, I said that. He would use CG technology, but I bet he would also do at least half, if not more, hand-drawn movies apposed to CG movies.



Hate to break it to you, but Walt never wrote any of the "classic" Disney stories. Most were fairy tales and children's books he merely "adapted". Sure, there might not be an Indiana Jones Adventure or Star Tours, but he would have created something just as good.

And for all of you dumping on PIXAR? They have done something Walt never did. Create original stories. They are well-told, superbly animated films that are drawing more visitors than anything Disney has put out themselves lately.

PIXAR is becoming what Walt wanted Disney Animation to be.

No, I said that wrong. By original I meant rides that are not based on Disney movies. I think he would like to keep the classic rides, well, classic. Not turned into Nemo's Submarine Voyage. There are many other examples of this. Disney might one day be a big advertisment for all the movies, and the only rides will be based on their movies.

And you can guess that Walt wanted Disney animation like that. Sadly, he is not with us now, so there is no way to know exactly what he would do. But we all know one thing, we all deeply miss Walt =(.

Ah but Walt Disney said he didn't like CARNIVALS. Which the Paradise Pier as a whole is violating.

I need to look at my videos but I thought it was a plain roller coaster he never wanted. i always believed he never wanted a ride just for a ride. He wanted to give the ride a story, a Life of it's own. One that we could believe and take part in. A ride that would bring us into the story.

looks like the company failed walt twenty years ago too when they put a ferris wheel in front of the main street train station for state fair in '87 and '88

Yeah, and people called them on that. State Fair was one of the low points in park promotions.

Yes, I said that. He would use CG technology, but I bet he would also do at least half, if not more, hand-drawn movies apposed to CG movies.

I can't find where you said he would use CG. Just where he would be against PIXAR (which I still don't understand).

No, I said that wrong. By original I meant rides that are not based on Disney movies. I think he would like to keep the classic rides, well, classic. Not turned into Nemo's Submarine Voyage. There are many other examples of this. Disney might one day be a big advertisment for all the movies, and the only rides will be based on their movies.

Submarine Voyage was revamped due to increasing costs of staffing vs. attendance. The ride was becoming too expensive to run, with little draw. They needed to freshen it up. Did they make the best choice? I don't think they did. I agree that it's just an extended dark ride now. They (pardon the pun) missed the boat with that one.

But look at Fantasyland. Almost every attraction there is based off a movie. Sure, there are original concept rides. Those are great. But these days, to stay competitive with other parks, they needs all the exposure they can get. Pirates of the Caribbean is a $1billion franchise worldwide. It would be stupid of them not to take advantage of that, and retheme a few lagging areas of the park to cash in on that.

And as far as "a big advertisement for all the movies" goes, well that's just basic marketing. Ever heard of a little show called "Wonderful World Of Disney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_anthology_television_series)"?

And you can guess that Walt wanted Disney animation like that. Sadly, he is not with us now, so there is no way to know exactly what he would do. But we all know one thing, we all deeply miss Walt =(.

Yeah, there is. He spoke extensively on this subject. He used every method possible to bring a story to an audience. When the technology wasn't available, he created it.

I need to look at my videos but I thought it was a plain roller coaster he never wanted. i always believed he never wanted a ride just for a ride. He wanted to give the ride a story, a Life of it's own. One that we could believe and take part in. A ride that would bring us into the story.

You are correct. Not only did he not want a plain roller coaster, but he also didn't want a looping one. He wanted rides the entire family could enjoy together. That was the whole point of Disneyland.

Hate to break it to you, but Walt never wrote any of the "classic" Disney stories. Most were fairy tales and children's books he merely "adapted". Sure, there might not be an Indiana Jones Adventure or Star Tours, but he would have created something just as good.

And for all of you dumping on PIXAR? They have done something Walt never did. Create original stories. They are well-told, superbly animated films that are drawing more visitors than anything Disney has put out themselves lately.

PIXAR is becoming what Walt wanted Disney Animation to be.


Thank you for articulating these points so well, Jacques! I'm glad someone finally enlightened the masses as to what true "Pixarization" is - a good thing!

;)

All too happy, my friend! I still don't understand why people treat PIXAR like it's a bad thing.

All too happy, my friend! I still don't understand why people treat PIXAR like it's a bad thing.

Yeah, Pixar is a great company. They have won at least 6 Oscars, and maybe an additional 10 nominations. they tell good stories, just like Walt, who won 22 Oscars for his short films and movies, maybe more.

Yeah, Pixar is a great company. They have won at least 6 Oscars, and maybe an additional 10 nominations. they tell good stories, just like Walt, who won 22 Oscars for his short films and movies, maybe more.

Yeah, i agree, walt would have like pixtar because it's like seeing through the mind of a child, being innocent, just like he wanted disneyland to be, innocent.

Yes, I said that. He would use CG technology, but I bet he would also do at least half, if not more, hand-drawn movies apposed to CG movies.

Yes, i agree, except, he wanted the people and characters to be hand drawn, so it would still have the same feeling of an original disney movie

All too happy, my friend! I still don't understand why people treat PIXAR like it's a bad thing.

I have to agree on this.
Although, the Sunshine Ferris Wheel at DCA is not just a regular wheel. It spins side-to-side (which I found quite scary). None of the attractions at DCA are just normal, Disney isn't normal. Everything there is Disney-fied.

When did walt say it?

DCA is that "2007" Park just to take away from the parking lot to do some "Wuzzup Dude! Lez go on da Cali Screamin! Wooterz!" people some good.

Although it is known as a good park, many people joke about no one going there, such as the Simpsons.

"We'll go somewhere where nobody ever goes, Disney's California Adventure". Although it was very crude but humorous at the same time.

Although, the Sunshine Ferris Wheel at DCA is not just a regular wheel. It spins side-to-side (which I found quite scary). None of the attractions at DCA are just normal, Disney isn't normal. Everything there is Disney-fied.

What's so Disney about that? Look at Maliboomer. Nothing on there is Disney's doing. It's a carnival attraction, built by an other company, and purchased by Disney. DCA would have never happened under Walt. His park would have had a purpose.

Although it is known as a good park, many people joke about no one going there

No one goes there. It's not really a joke. It's a sad bit of truth.

I know my wife and I don't enjoy going to DCA except for a few areas of the park (Animation, being one). She and I have always held the opinion that DCA doesn't feel like Disney - it feels like Disney's answer to Six Flags or Knotts Berry. Slapping Disney icons on rides doesn't make it Disney - most of the park should be revamped in my opinion.

Thank you for articulating these points so well, Jacques! I'm glad someone finally enlightened the masses as to what true "Pixarization" is - a good thing!

;)

Pixarization is a good thing to some people. To others, like me, it is horrible. Some people just don't like that type of animation, unlike you.

Pixarization is a good thing to some people. To others, like me, it is horrible. Some people just don't like that type of animation, unlike you.

Actually, I'm not talking about a specific type of animation. I'm talking about the company being associated with Disney and what good they do for the company and the industry as a whole. ;)

Pixarization is a good thing to some people. To others, like me, it is horrible. Some people just don't like that type of animation, unlike you.


In case you haven't noticed, most companies use that type of animation or a similar type. I don't think as many would see a movie that used the older types of animation as they would a movie that used the newer and clearer animation.

In case you haven't noticed, most companies use that type of animation or a similar type. I don't think as many would see a movie that used the older types of animation as they would a movie that used the newer and clearer animation.

I guess not on this forum, but on many others they do want a hand-drawn film. Like The Frog Princess, I can not wait for that. Why? Mainly because it is the first hand drawn in a while..

I guess not on this forum, but on many others they do want a hand-drawn film. Like The Frog Princess, I can not wait for that. Why? Mainly because it is the first hand drawn in a while..


Almost all animated films are hand-drawn. :) Now yes they use computers but it is all drawn by hand first. I know what you mean, but our society today tends to like the computer animated films more.

Pixarization is a good thing to some people. To others, like me, it is horrible. Some people just don't like that type of animation, unlike you.

I'm definately not a fan of CG animation... it's too perfect, in my opinion. I think hand drawn, stop-motion, and cell animation is a lot better. However, I AM a Pixar fan, and some of my favorite movies are from Pixar. Their CG films are really the ONLY CG films I enjoy. What I REALLY dislike are Dreamworks' CG films. They're horrible! At least Pixar has original ideas that are great for people of any age.

~Pink

Pixarization is good in some aspects.

Disney has really been letting Walt down... If Walt was around with modern day technology... I can't imagine how much better the park would be. He'd probably be rolling in his grave if he saw what Disney is doing.

It makes me wonder though, had Walt still been alive...

Would Expedition Everest still exist?
Would Pirates of the Caribbean be a film franchise?
Would he have let Disney make Who Framed Roger Rabbit* which is one of the greatest films on the face of the earth?


*Although Who Framed Roger Rabbit was made by Touchstone pictures, Touchstone is a seperate Disney company used to show more mature elements, behind such films as Wild Hogs and Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas.

It makes me wonder though, had Walt still been alive...

Would Expedition Everest still exist?
Would Pirates of the Caribbean be a film franchise?
Would he have let Disney make Who Framed Roger Rabbit* which is one of the greatest films on the face of the earth?


*Although Who Framed Roger Rabbit was made by Touchstone pictures, Touchstone is a seperate Disney company used to show more mature elements, behind such films as Wild Hogs and Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas.

I doubt most of those things would be here. I mean, Expedition Everest is not a Disney movie. Pirate's of the Caribbean was just a fun thing he made up.

I doubt most of those things would be here. I mean, Expedition Everest is not a Disney movie.

Neither is the Matterhorn, but that didn't stop Walt from building it. He also oversaw the creation of Pirates of the Caribbean, the Haunted Mansion, and the Jungle Cruise, none of which were specifically based on any movie at the time. (Although Cruise did borrow heavily from The African Queen.)

It appears you're under the impression that Walt only built things based off of movies, which certainly wasn't the case. In fact, before Walt's death, the only attraction based on a Disney movie outside of Fantasyland was the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse.

On the topic of "Pixarization", I love what it's doing for Disney in regards to animation. At first I was a little worried, when things were on thin ice between Pixar and Michael "Bridge-Burning" Eisner, because I didn't want them to leave and make Disney look rather pathetic in comparison--but now they ARE Disney! It took me a little while to be comfortable with that, but we should try and stop distancing the two, because now they really are one. We should be thrilled that an animation studio so far and above anyone else in the game right now; a studio that creates wonderfully imaginitive tales and very rarely, if ever, has a mis-step; is part of the Disney legacy! While Walt may have not been keen on buying out the best company instead of competing to BE the best, he certainly would have no issue with the superb quality animation that Pixar is producing. Pixar IS Walt Disney; they do exactly what he'd be doing if he were alive today in regards to feature-length movies, and in large part we have "Uncle" John Lassetter to thank for that, who is the closest thing we have to our other favorite "Uncle".

With that said, I am concerned with what Pixar is doing to Disneyland and to a lesser degree, DCA. I don't have a problem with Pixar being represented in these parks, because again, they are a part of Disney, but they certainly shouldn't be taking over, which it appears they're on the path to do. The last three rides to open in these parks are Buzz Lightyear's AstroBlasters, Monster's Inc, and the Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage. Toy Story Midway Mania is currently under construction in DCA, and there is rumor of a Cars-based ride to follow that. It's not even necessarily that these rides are all based on Pixar movies, but that they are based on movies in general. What happened to creative and original concepts, that stood alone as awe-inspiring attractions and didn't have to lean on the success of a popular film? This is probably the one and only thing that worries me about Mr. Lassetter. I know he's proud of his films and wants them to be a part of the Disney resort, but he should also be aware and respectful of Walt's vision, which did not include churning out attraction after attraction closely based on other media. He wanted the bulk of his rides to rely on our memories, our imagination, and on the wonder for the world around us.

Let's just hope the Disney business doesn't completely lose sight of the Disney dream..

It makes me wonder though, had Walt still been alive...

Would Expedition Everest still exist?
Would Pirates of the Caribbean be a film franchise?
Would he have let Disney make Who Framed Roger Rabbit* which is one of the greatest films on the face of the earth?


*Although Who Framed Roger Rabbit was made by Touchstone pictures, Touchstone is a seperate Disney company used to show more mature elements, behind such films as Wild Hogs and Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas.

Tim burton rocks; he's friends with Johnny Depp! LOL

i doubt some of that stuff would exsist..

It makes me wonder though, had Walt still been alive...

Would Expedition Everest still exist?
Would Pirates of the Caribbean be a film franchise?
Would he have let Disney make Who Framed Roger Rabbit* which is one of the greatest films on the face of the earth?


*Although Who Framed Roger Rabbit was made by Touchstone pictures, Touchstone is a seperate Disney company used to show more mature elements, behind such films as Wild Hogs and Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas.


Well there would be equally, no, most likely much better things if walt was alive.

Oh and Fantasy, Walt was for making rides that were not movies, just a fun, new ride. So, Everest not being a movie would not effect Walt from making it at all.

It appears you're under the impression that Walt only built things based off of movies, which certainly wasn't the case. In fact, before Walt's death, the only attraction based on a Disney movie outside of Fantasyland was the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse.


I really enjoy the Swiss Family Treehouse.


On the topic of "Pixarization", I love what it's doing for Disney in regards to animation. At first I was a little worried, when things were on thin ice between Pixar and Michael "Bridge-Burning" Eisner, because I didn't want them to leave and make Disney look rather pathetic in comparison--but now they ARE Disney! It took me a little while to be comfortable with that, but we should try and stop distancing the two, because now they really are one. We should be thrilled that an animation studio so far and above anyone else in the game right now; a studio that creates wonderfully imaginitive tales and very rarely, if ever, has a mis-step; is part of the Disney legacy! While Walt may have not been keen on buying out the best company instead of competing to BE the best, he certainly would have no issue with the superb quality animation that Pixar is producing. Pixar IS Walt Disney; they do exactly what he'd be doing if he were alive today in regards to feature-length movies, and in large part we have "Uncle" John Lassetter to thank for that, who is the closest thing we have to our other favorite "Uncle".

With that said, I am concerned with what Pixar is doing to Disneyland and to a lesser degree, DCA. I don't have a problem with Pixar being represented in these parks, because again, they are a part of Disney, but they certainly shouldn't be taking over, which it appears they're on the path to do. The last three rides to open in these parks are Buzz Lightyear's AstroBlasters, Monster's Inc, and the Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage. Toy Story Midway Mania is currently under construction in DCA, and there is rumor of a Cars-based ride to follow that. It's not even necessarily that these rides are all based on Pixar movies, but that they are based on movies in general. What happened to creative and original concepts, that stood alone as awe-inspiring attractions and didn't have to lean on the success of a popular film? This is probably the one and only thing that worries me about Mr. Lassetter. I know he's proud of his films and wants them to be a part of the Disney resort, but he should also be aware and respectful of Walt's vision, which did not include churning out attraction after attraction closely based on other media. He wanted the bulk of his rides to rely on our memories, our imagination, and on the wonder for the world around us.

Let's just hope the Disney business doesn't completely lose sight of the Disney dream..

Yeah, I really think there should be some more original ride designs.
But like you said... Pixar does things Walt would have done when he was alive(Except for creating rides based on Pixar Movies), and John Lasseter is the closest thing we have to Walt.

Neither is the Matterhorn, but that didn't stop Walt from building it. He also oversaw the creation of Pirates of the Caribbean, the Haunted Mansion, and the Jungle Cruise, none of which were specifically based on any movie at the time. (Although Cruise did borrow heavily from The African Queen.)

It appears you're under the impression that Walt only built things based off of movies, which certainly wasn't the case. In fact, before Walt's death, the only attraction based on a Disney movie outside of Fantasyland was the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse.

Matterhorn was based off Walt's film "Third Man On The Mountain".
Jungle Cruise was inspired by Walt's "True Life Adventures".
Tom Sawyer's Island and the Mark Twain were designed after the book and author they are named for.
The Keel Boats were the actual boats used in "Davy Crockett and the River Pirates".

While these are not directly themed to movies, they were certainly inspired by them. And yes, the connection was used for marketing purposes.

One of the reasons more and more rides are being built off movie ideas (whether it be Pixar or Winnie the Pooh or what have you) is that it creates an instantly recognizable connection in people's minds. Would Astro Blasters be as popular if it didn't feature Buzz Lightyear? Submarine Voyage was forced to close years ago due to lack of attendance. Now, it's reopened and has a 2-hour+ line. That's Nemo's doing. The entire park of DCA wasn't built after any known Disney property, and it's suffering because of it. That connection just isn't there. Doesn't have that "Disney feel".

Actually, have you ever thought of the idea that, DCA was created for an older audience in their pre-teen teen years, who just needed a thrill? And have you ever thought that the Sun Wheel, is not just a ferris wheel. It's one that swings you around! :D
California Screamin' and T of T was built because, the staff had to face the fact that Disneyland was not thrilling enough for some teenagers, so DCA came to life, which has some ltttler rides for the little kids who had to be dragged into the park with teir teenage siblings.
That's what I really think.
If Walt were still alive, he would know that Teens need thrills too. He may not have actually let Sun Wheel happen, but DCA would still be here. I know it.

But that goes against what Walt wanted. He wanted a place where everyone could experience everything together as a family. He was against rides that went upside down, for example.

I dont think he said he never wanted a ferris wheel but he did say something like he didnt want a board walk type theme park. but i dont remember the source for that one sorry

Yea pretty much. Walt said he wanted a theme park that contained rides, shows, etc. liek a carnavial would have. But he said ''Disneyland is a place to escape all of your troubles and worries that a carnavial brings you and family'' (something like that) but basicly he didn't want you to think you were in a carnavial, he wanted you to be in a place with no worries, where happiness is just some pixie dust away.:cool:

Yeah, I really think there should be some more original ride designs.
But like you said... Pixar does things Walt would have done when he was alive(Except for creating rides based on Pixar Movies), and John Lasseter is the closest thing we have to Walt.

I correct myself, the closest thing we have to Walt might be his nephew, Roy.

But that goes against what Walt wanted. He wanted a place where everyone could experience everything together as a family. He was against rides that went upside down, for example.

I think Rock'n Roller Coaster is great, but I think Walt would have done better.

I'm not saying I know what Walt wanted, but I think that he might have jumped at some chances that already exist, like Spaceship Earth for example.

Yea pretty much. Walt said he wanted a theme park that contained rides, shows, etc. liek a carnavial would have. Not true. He wanted the total opposite.

It was seeing the ugly atmosphere of the carnivals and amusement parks at that time that got him to realize what was wrong with the whole situation, and thus was born Disneyland.

Paradise Pier at DCA is exactly what Walt hated the most, and that Eisner actually had it created (in the parking lot of Disneyland, no less, which pours salt on the wound) showed exactly how little regard or understanding he had for the foundations upon which the Disney organization was built.